[Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Thu Jan 3 06:23:34 UTC 2019

I think your definition is fine. If it's worth listing/searching/displaying
the places, then map them, else do not.

We have these official places called TOPs, the things I listed are
necessary to be officially called a TOP (and funded & maintained). They are
not requirements for mapping and are not part of my general tagging
proposal. If mappers see other hop-on places for trails/routes which do not
meet these requirements but are visibly designated/designed for the purpose
and worth listing/searching/displaying, fine with me.

In Nederland, mappers have been mapping these places, just not
systematically. Now they have all been mapped.

Op do 3 jan. 2019 om 04:07 schreef Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com>:

> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:26 PM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The minimum requirements here are: free parking space, some kind of
> landmark, at least 2 bicycle routes and two walking routes, and an
> information board or stand. And waymarks for route directions.
> None of the examples I posted meet all your requirements. Most
> trailheads here are served by only short access trails, while the main
> trails stay off road, so most trailheads serve either a single route
> or else the entire trail network depending on definitions. Moreover,
> there are relatively few entry points that serve both walking and
> cycling routes. (We have a paucity of MTB routes on the whole.)
> The only trailhead that I can think of that I've visited in recent
> years that would meet your criteria serves a rather small natural area
> and maybe 20 km of trail that's otherwise disconnected from the trail
> network (except that the Erie Canalway, a paved
> shared-foot-and-cycleway, runs down one side).  And that in turn means
> that the Erie Canalway has a trailhead sort of by accident - because
> it happens to be right there.
> Most of our major national and regional trails simply aren't served by
> that sort of facility.  To give the example of one intermediate-scale
> trail (220 km) that I've mapped,
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4286650, it visits
> car-accessible highways fewer than ten times.  Only one has another
> trail at the same access point, unless you count the short footways in
> the campground at Lake Durant.  The two ends of the trail are in
> villages, and one section in the middle has about a 5-km road-walk
> through another village. Aside from those and the campground, the
> trailheads consist of notice boards and registers at the crossings of
> remote mountain roads.  There are two sections that are each over 60
> km long that have no road crossings at all.
> The two endpoints, as I said, are in villages, and are more
> extensively marked; the southern terminus has the arch that I shared
> earlier and ends at a village park that has toilets, and is behind a
> commercial street that has various businesses. The northern terminus
> is at a former railway station that is now a museum, and again has
> many businesses close by. Neither terminus is a jumping-off point for
> multiple other trails.
> This is a trail of extensive regional significance. Not dignifying the
> getting-on and getting-off points with the 'trailhead' tag, if we have
> a 'trailhead' tag, seems a little parochial. (It'll also invite
> further mistagging by us Americans, which will cause further arguments
> on this mailing list down the road.)
> Our definition would be much simpler: "designated point at which a
> hiker, skier, cyclist, rider or snowmobilist gets on and off a
> waymarked trail." Usually, but not always, a trailhead will have
> dedicated parking (which may or not be free of charge), a notice board
> and signage. More elaborate trailheads may have facilities such as
> artwork or stelae marking them, seating, rubbish bins, toilets, and
> public transportation access, particularly if they are located in
> developed parks or campgrounds. Facilities such as these are
> considerably rarer in trails that access "back country" or wilderness
> areas.
> I submit that the additional requirements you enumerate reflect a
> European cultural assumption. Europe is much denser than the US. Its
> trails are shorter. Its trailheads are closer to civilization, with
> facilities to match.
> The Adirondack Park, through which
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4286650 runs, is about 24000
> km² - an area intermediate in size between Slovenia and Belguim - with
> a population density of fewer than 5 inhabitants/km². (The density is
> that high because it's a public-private partnership. There are [highly
> regulated] settlements and villages inside the park.) It is too sparse
> to support the sort of facilities that you have in mind, and there's
> no need to run trails to common points of concentration. The trails go
> where they go, and many never reach the highway at all, starting and
> finishing on other trails. Because of the long distances covered by
> the trail network, the trailheads assume greater importance, not less,
> despite their lack of facilities. I once sprained a knee about 25 km
> from the nearest highway - you can be sure that I was acutely aware of
> where the nearest trailhead was, even though it took me a day and a
> half to hobble there. Knowing where your alternative exit points are
> and how to reach them is an essential part of route planning.
> The parks also have a few access points that don't have trails at all,
> but are merely parking areas for hikers and climbers who are willing
> and able to make their own way cross-country. They have register books
> and notice boards, but no trails. I'm not sure what to make of them in
> this scheme of things, but can tag the parking area and notice board
> at least. (I don't think that any proposal for tagging a register book
> ever gained traction.)
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