[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Mapping disputed boundaries (Version 1.6)

Phake Nick c933103 at gmail.com
Fri Jan 4 12:22:17 UTC 2019

I think there are some cases that might not be sufficiently covered by the
current proposal and it might be a good idea to explain how they can be
tagged in example section of the proposal if they can be represented by it:
* Minamitorishima, where it is undoubtably a Japanese natural feature,
however there are dispute on the nature of the island, which affect whether
Japan is able to enjoy 200nm EEZ from the feature.
* Southern Sakhalin and Northern/Central Kuril Islands, where it is de
facto controlled by Russia, and Japan have already renounced their right
there, however Japanese government insist the ownership of these
territories are not determined yet.
* Sub-national disputed boundaries, for instance the recent city-level
dispute between Hong Kong and Shenzhen over the Sha Tau Kok River
* Different active level of claims for different parties, for instance
Republic of China (Taiwan) still haven't renounced their claim on part of
Russian and Myanmar territories, yet it doesn't seems right to list them as
a party in territorial dispute between China (Mainland) and other
surrounding countries on the same level as PRC itself
* Other different types of claim, for instance the 9-dotted lines which
China claims "historical right" within the line
* The proposal supported by various governments around the world to turn
Jerusalem into a corpus separatum
* Dispute between a national government and a sub-national entity, for
example dispute between Somaliland and Puntland, where according to my
understanding Somaliland is an unrecognized country while Puntland is an
autonomous regional government that is intended to be part of Somalia.
* Dispute between regional government and their national government, for
instance disputed in area for Kurdish autonomous region in Afghanistan
* Some special situation about United States - should Wake Island be
controlled by US or UM (US Minority outlying islands)?
* Guantanamo Bay, where the controlling country (or force) doesn't claim
the area but continues to control it anyway

It would be nice if the proposal can be extended to cover them.

Also, among the existing list of example, for Shebaa Farms, the
claimed_by=* should also include Syria. For Israel-Palestine dispute, it
should also separately list out Area A/B/C for West Bank as each of them
have different status.

在 2019年1月2日週三 16:18,Johnparis <okosm at johnfreed.com> 寫道:

> I have just posted version 1.6 of my proposal on mapping disputed
> boundaries. It tightens the definition of the "controlled by" tag in an
> effort to improve verifiability.
> *Changelog*
>    - *Version 1.6*
>       - Defining terms for "controlled_by" tag to improve verifiability.
>    - *Version 1.5.1*
>       - Adding role de_facto for boundary relations in Conflict Areas.
>    - *Version 1.5*
>       - Eliminating Zones of Control as concept.
>          - Permitting claimed_by and controlled_by tags to be placed
>          directly on administrative boundary relations, eliminating those (now
>          redundant) Zones of Control
>          - Other Zones of Control become Boundary Claim relations.
>       - *Version 1.4.2*
>       - Changing Crimea example to conform to current administrative
>       boundary.
>    - *Version 1.4.1*
>       - Changing "all" keyword to a list for the value of the
>       "controlled_by" tag.
>       - Adding "UN" as a special value for the "controlled_by" tag.
>    - *Version 1.4*
>       - Using maritime boundaries instead of land boundaries
>       - Eliminating redundant or unneeded relations:
>          - De facto relation is eliminated; it is now the same as the
>          existing administrative boundary
>          - Minimal boundary is eliminated; it is now a Zone of Control
>          with role "undisputed" in Master Claim
>          - Master Claims and Zones of Control are eliminated when not
>          needed, such as for countries with no disputes
>          - Conflict Areas are explicitly made optional
>       - Roles in Master Claim now differentiate how claimant and zone are
>       related: undisputed, joint, de facto, claimed
>       - Describing administered territories
>       - Adding how to change the criteria for the List of Claiming
>       Entities
>    - *Version 1.3*
>       - Possible extensions page added
>       - Flattening the hierarchy by removing Disputed and Undisputed Areas
>       - Three Boundary Relations: de facto, master, minimal
>       - All Zones of Control have the role zone in the three Boundary
>       Relations
>       - Eliminating Lines of Control
>       - Country code tag introduced
>    - *Version 1.2*
>       - Removing "according_to" tags
>       - Adding Zones of Control and Lines of Control
>       - Adding Disputed Areas and Undisputed Areas
>       - Using type=land_area + land_area=administrative
>       - Full country relations are no longer members of each other.
>    - *Version 1.1*
>       - Adding "according_to" tag for relations
>    - *Version 1.0*
>       - Initial proposal.
>       - Land-based borders only; no maritime claims.
>       - De facto and claimed borders and roles
>       - List of Claiming Entities
>       - OSM-designated borders
>       - Claimed border relation becomes a member of the De Facto border
>       relation, and vice versa
> I welcome feedback (public or private) on the new Resolution Period idea
> for the "controlled by" tag -- the notion itself, and the length of the
> period.
> I've archived some of the comments that are no longer applicable.
> The proposal is here:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mapping_disputed_boundaries
> John
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