[Tagging] motorcycle tagging

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Fri Jan 4 22:34:51 UTC 2019

I would like a 'discussion' with the user on the tagging list.

The tagging "sale" will generate 'discussion' with me ... I think that should be 'sells'. I have voiced that before on this list, my view has not changed.

On 05/01/19 09:12, Allan Mustard wrote:
> Hmmm.  Having recently shepherded a proposal, and one which in the end was radically different from my original version due to valuable input from the OSM community, I say tell him to make a proposal and live with the results of voting or face wholesale reversion of his edits.
> My two manats’ worth.
> Cheers,
> Allan Mustard
> apm-wa
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> the DWG has received a complaint about user ti-lo/Rtfm's introduction of
>> motorcycle tags.
>> Until 03 April, the shop=motorcycle wiki page contained this:
>>> The following is a proposal to put this service variety into tags:
>>>     sale=yes/brand/used/no/... - sells whole motorcycles
>>>     rental=yes/brand/no/... - motorcycle rental
>>>     repair=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/... - repairs / maintains motorcycles
>>>     safety_inspection=yes/no - inspection of safety/emission regulation conformance
>>>     parts=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/... - sells motorcycle parts
>>>     clothes=yes/brand/no/... - sells motorcycle clothes / equipment
>>>     scooters=yes/no/only - to distinguish scooter shops, very useful in Asia
>>>     services=... - other services this shop offers
>> Rtfm (which is ti-lo's account on the wiki) then removed any mention of
>> these tags and the word "proposal", instead added a table
>>> Optional (compare with "Additional keys" in shop=bicycle)
>>> key    values    description    taginfo
>>> motorcycle:sales    yes/no/used    sells motorbikes / used=only second hand / yes;used=both new and used
>>> motorcycle:rental    yes/no/trailer    motorbike rental / motorbike trailer rental (Both: yes;trailer)
>>> motorcycle:repair    yes/no    motorbike repair
>>> motorcycle:parts    yes/no    sells parts
>>> motorcycle:tyres    yes/no    sells tyres (may also be used in combination with shop=tyres)
>>> motorcycle:clothes    yes/no    sells clothes
>>> motorcycle:type
>> Rtfm proceeded to execute an undiscussed mass edit on the OSM database
>> which was reverted here:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47664678
>> However:
>> * The wiki page has never been changed back
>> * Rtfm/ti-lo has continued to edit motorcycle shops around the world,
>> and whenever he touched one e.g. to change the spelling from "Harley
>> Davidson" to "Harley-Davidson", at the same time also replaced *all* the
>> old-style tags with his new-style tags again.
>> * ti-lo hismelf seems to be by far the most prolific user of these tags.
>> What we have here is not really a classical mechanical edit, but a
>> one-man crusade to push through their tagging scheme.
>> I'm not sure how to best deal with this. Normally we don't want to
>> over-emphasize the proposal and tag voting process and we often say "you
>> can just use a tag and it'll eventually be used by others too". But that
>> doesn't really apply to changing established tags. Even if it is for the
>> better - the complaint we have is really not so much about the new
>> tagging scheme but about the way in which it was established.
>> Opinions?
>> Should we revert the wiki page to the old version and revert all the
>> motorcycle:* tags that ti-lo changed from old-style to motorcycle:*?
>> Or ask him to run a proper proposal process until $DEADLINE under threat
>> of doing the above?
>> Or just shrug and let him have his way?
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>> -- 
>> Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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