[Tagging] motorcycle tagging

Allan Mustard allan at mustard.net
Fri Jan 4 22:12:07 UTC 2019

Hmmm.  Having recently shepherded a proposal, and one which in the end was radically different from my original version due to valuable input from the OSM community, I say tell him to make a proposal and live with the results of voting or face wholesale reversion of his edits.  

My two manats’ worth.

Allan Mustard

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> On Jan 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> the DWG has received a complaint about user ti-lo/Rtfm's introduction of
> motorcycle tags.
> Until 03 April, the shop=motorcycle wiki page contained this:
>> The following is a proposal to put this service variety into tags:
>>    sale=yes/brand/used/no/... - sells whole motorcycles
>>    rental=yes/brand/no/... - motorcycle rental
>>    repair=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/... - repairs / maintains motorcycles
>>    safety_inspection=yes/no - inspection of safety/emission regulation conformance
>>    parts=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/... - sells motorcycle parts
>>    clothes=yes/brand/no/... - sells motorcycle clothes / equipment
>>    scooters=yes/no/only - to distinguish scooter shops, very useful in Asia
>>    services=... - other services this shop offers
> Rtfm (which is ti-lo's account on the wiki) then removed any mention of
> these tags and the word "proposal", instead added a table
>> Optional (compare with "Additional keys" in shop=bicycle)
>> key    values    description    taginfo
>> motorcycle:sales    yes/no/used    sells motorbikes / used=only second hand / yes;used=both new and used    
>> motorcycle:rental    yes/no/trailer    motorbike rental / motorbike trailer rental (Both: yes;trailer)    
>> motorcycle:repair    yes/no    motorbike repair    
>> motorcycle:parts    yes/no    sells parts    
>> motorcycle:tyres    yes/no    sells tyres (may also be used in combination with shop=tyres)    
>> motorcycle:clothes    yes/no    sells clothes    
>> motorcycle:type    
> Rtfm proceeded to execute an undiscussed mass edit on the OSM database
> which was reverted here:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47664678
> However:
> * The wiki page has never been changed back
> * Rtfm/ti-lo has continued to edit motorcycle shops around the world,
> and whenever he touched one e.g. to change the spelling from "Harley
> Davidson" to "Harley-Davidson", at the same time also replaced *all* the
> old-style tags with his new-style tags again.
> * ti-lo hismelf seems to be by far the most prolific user of these tags.
> What we have here is not really a classical mechanical edit, but a
> one-man crusade to push through their tagging scheme.
> I'm not sure how to best deal with this. Normally we don't want to
> over-emphasize the proposal and tag voting process and we often say "you
> can just use a tag and it'll eventually be used by others too". But that
> doesn't really apply to changing established tags. Even if it is for the
> better - the complaint we have is really not so much about the new
> tagging scheme but about the way in which it was established.
> Opinions?
> Should we revert the wiki page to the old version and revert all the
> motorcycle:* tags that ti-lo changed from old-style to motorcycle:*?
> Or ask him to run a proper proposal process until $DEADLINE under threat
> of doing the above?
> Or just shrug and let him have his way?
> Bye
> Frederik
> -- 
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