[Tagging] Fwd: Re: Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Wed Jan 23 07:37:19 UTC 2019




Date: Jan 23, 2019, 8:31 AM
From: 61sundowner at gmail.com
To: matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?


> On 23/01/19 17:52, Mateusz Konieczny      wrote:
>
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>>
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>> Jan 23, 2019, 4:49 AM by >> 61sundowner at gmail.com <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>>> :
>>
>>> On 23/01/19 07:37, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jan 21, 2019, 12:03 AM by >>>> 61sundowner at gmail.com <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> The end to this madness is for renders to              recognise that the landuse=forest needs to be rendered              differently from natural=wood.
>>>>> The essential difference between the two              is that landuse must have some human benefit, a produce,              and a clear way of doing that is to add the rendering of a              axe to the tree.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (1) in a typical              rendering this distinction is completely unimportant
>>>> or at least not worth different rendering
>>>>
>>>> (2) other people have different mismatching            ideas what is the
>>>> "real" difference between natural=wood and            landuse=forest
>>>>
>>>> (3) there is no consistent difference in how            natural=wood and landuse=forest are used
>>>> by mappers
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the is no difference          between the two then there will be no problem depreciating          landuse=forest.
>>>
>>
>> First of all: "there many,            many opinions how natural=wood and landuse=forest differ and
>> some people think that his            makes distinction between this tags useless" is not the same            as
>> "there is no difference".
>>
>> And landuse=forest is used          more than three million times
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=forest <https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=forest>
>>
>>
>>> If there is no produce than          it is not landuse=forestry. 
>>>
>>>
>> Note that many are not            using "forestry" to mean "using  forest             to
>> produce wood".
>>
>
> People within OSM are using landuse=forestry to mean that it    provides some produce for human benefit.
>  
>  The key 'landuse' is about the human use of that land.
>  > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse>
>  "used to describe the primary use of land by humans.    "
>  
>  It is not what is there .. but what the use is by humans. 
>  If there is concrete there, or a swamp .. that does not determine    what the use is. 
>  The concrete could for a roadway, or a sports court. 
>  The swamp could be a native reserve, or a waste water filtration    system.  
>
It is not changing that attempting to use landuse=forestry for "forest and associated area 
that is used to produce wood" mismatches with meaning of word forestry.
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