[Tagging] Are disused=yes and abandoned=yes deprecated by disused:key=value & abandoned:key=value?
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Mon Jul 29 13:24:25 UTC 2019
On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 13:54, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
Is there a case where making it visible would actually be useful?
Yes, I would argue that disused physical objects should be rendered. A
is still a house. An abandoned:building=house is still a house. Even
still be visible. Disused non-physical objects should not be rendered: a
is no longer a pub. Except there are grey areas, such as disused sports
pitches which are
maintained to some degree (weeds cut down occasionally) but no longer
used. They could
be re-activated for their original purpose. Abandoned railway lines pose
yet other problems.
For quarries or buildings disused/abandoned status is a property and is not
> feature so it makes sense to use disused=yes and abandoned=yes.
Which we do only because (currently, on standard carto)
disused:building=yes doesn't render.
In case of shops it is fundamentally different - disused shop is no longer
> a shop.
> If someone really wants to tag it (may to protect against accidental
> then disused:shop=* is preferable (and it makes no sense to render it in
> most cases)
Depends. It might be preferable to use shop=vacant is there is a strong
as zoning restrictions) which mean that it won't be converted into a
Is there some trace of the pub (maybe sign?) or danger of incorrect
Then it makes sense to keep it.
In one case I've mapped, yes. It's a listed building with a distinctive
old pub sign which
cannot be removed (because it's a listed building). It closed a couple of
years ago and
as far as I can tell is now a domestic residence. A mapper passing by
would assume it
is still a pub. https://goo.gl/maps/nf3S2MfjjV12tqAaA
Though in cases where no trace is left I would delete it (yes, OSM doesn't
> map history).
Again, near me there are several pubs that have closed but there is a
prospect they will
re-open under new ownership. One recently had a bad fire 6 or 7 months ago
And then there are churches and chapels which have closed but not, as yet,
So building=chapel + disused:amenity=place_of_worship.
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