[Tagging] refugee camp

Dave Swarthout daveswarthout at gmail.com
Mon Jun 10 20:05:53 UTC 2019

The refugee camps I'm familiar with in Thailand are not social facilities
except in an incidental way. They are essentially internment camps
surrounded by fences with guarded gates where undocumented aliens are kept.
They are landuse=residential because they're isolated areas in the
countryside and contain permanent dwellings but having no other way to tag
it at the time, I tagged a big refugee camp near Mae Sot as place=town and
name=Mae La Refugee Camp. As for the refugee aspect, I made a note and left
it at that.

I'm not sure which approach would be better between social_facility,
amenity or what have you, but any tourism-related tag definitely will not
work. In this particluar case, place=town is appropriate because it's so
large; smaller camps might be tagged as place=hamlet, etc.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 6:04 AM Phake Nick <c933103 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you look at it from a temporary residence for the group of people
> perspective, then I guess tags like place=village/town/neighbourhood could
> be better choices?
> 在 2019年6月10日週一 20:18,Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> 寫道:
>> I understand why refugee camps have been mapped with
>> amenity=social_facility - it's the closest existing tag, since
>> tourism=camp_site is clearly wrong and landuse=residential isn't quite
>> right.
>> However, I don't think that large refugee camps are a perfect fit for
>> amenity=social_facility.
>>  Most of these are group homes (eg orphanages), nursing homes (for the
>> elderly), hospices, assisted living facilities, homeless shelters,
>> outreach facilities for the homelss, etc - they provide services for
>> vulnerable groups in the community who have difficulty living on their
>> own.
>> Refugee camps are closer to an informal residential settlement in many
>> developing countries, especially those that are larger or have been in
>> place for more than a few months (these are the ones most likely to be
>> mapped, I believe).
>> I would encourage creating a proposal and a new tag specifically for
>> these sorts of places. There could perhaps be a distinction between
>> sites for people temporarily displaced locally (eg a camp for people
>> in the same town, after a flood) versus long-distance or international
>> migrants.
>> On 6/10/19, Jan S <grimpeur78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 6/6/2019 5:27 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> >> >>*     I'd suggest something like social_facility=temporary_housing.
>> >> *>>>* To me, social_facility doesn't quite cut it for "refugees".
>> >> Refugees
>> >> *>* strike me as people fleeing from war / massive natural disaster -
>> >> *>* social_facility comes across as small scale for homeless people /
>> >> *>* women's refuge sort of thing?
>> >> *>>Browsing through the values of social_facility:for, it's a lot more
>> >> diverse than just victims of abuse and poverty -- and
>> >> social_facility:for=refugee(s) has hundreds of uses. But you definitely
>> >> have a point about scale -- some of these camps house over a hundred
>> >> thousand people. That's on the scale of a small city -- a community,
>> not
>> >> a facility. So maybe place=refugee_camp is a better solution.
>> >>
>> >> J
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Picking up the subject again (and having noticed that the refugee camps
>> I
>> > know in my area are not tagged at all or at least very rudimentary
>> simply
>> > as amenity=social_facility), I've done another search on the internet
>> and
>> > have dug up this wiki page:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Refugee_Camp_Mapping
>> >
>> > It's been modified in 2018 for the last time, is quite rudimentary in
>> the
>> > description of the tags and values proposed and apparently oriented
>> mainly
>> > at makeshift camps in Africa or the Levante. It would be an effort to
>> bring
>> > some order into this and to make it more diverse (covering anything from
>> > spontaneous camps like the infamous Jungle in Calais or the already
>> > dismantled Idomeini camp, to permanent structures like asylum-seeker
>> > reception centres like this:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/390153052).
>> >
>> > I'll see if I can give it a try over the next weeks... or would that be
>> a
>> > task for a coordinated action?
>> >
>> > Best, Jan
>> >
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Dave Swarthout
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Chiang Mai, Thailand
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