[Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

bkil bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com
Sat Jun 22 17:07:19 UTC 2019


My answer reflected on Paul's suggestion of introducing yet another term
(fare=*) to more closely match common vocabulary. I wouldn't recommend
merging tolls, sorry if you read it like that.

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:10 AM Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> On 2019-06-22 10:38, bkil wrote:
>
> If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is
> isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context.
>
>
> Only insofar as they indicate that the user has to pay. "Toll" has a
> distinct meaning, in the UK at least, that it is (and needs to be)
> sanctioned by law.
>
>
> As all of them could
> be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general
> category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our data
> users, non-native speakers and learning curve, the less terms we use
> in our vocabulary, the better.
>
>
> "As simple as possible, but not simpler". Attributed to Albert Einstein,
> and a philosophy I wholeheartedly embrace. If it is required to be able to
> make the distinction between a charge levied based on a legal sanction, and
> a charge simply levied by the owner because they feel like it, then the
> subtle difference between "toll" and the other words is significant. If we
> all agree that the distinction is not to be represented in OSM, then this
> discussion is moot - call it something neutral like payment, fee, charge,
> whatever. This process is called data modelling; the modelling aspect comes
> from the fact that you have to make compromises, and you have to choose
> which compromises to make according to what is important to you. Otherwise
> you are just replicating reality at full scale, which defeats the point of
> modelling.
>
> As this is OSM, it only takes one person to want to make this distinction
> to unchain interminable discussions...
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:20 AM Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Oxford Dictionary says
>
> Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road.
>
> Yep.  Also, in the UK, carries legal implications.  Legislation is
> required to require tolls on a
> public highway.
>
> Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or
> public body in exchange for advice or services.
>
> That's how I'd use it.  Of course, ferries provide a ferry service, so fee
> could be used.  But I'd go
> with something else: fare.  We don't talk of rail tolls or rail fees, we
> talk of rail fares.  We don't talk
> of air tolls or air fees, we talk of air fares.  From OED online: "The
> money paid for a journey on
> public transport."
>
> --
> Paul
>
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