[Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tagging disputed boundaries

Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrakhan at gmail.com
Wed Mar 13 02:17:14 UTC 2019


I second Joseph's comment -- the proposal has to be very short for people
to review it - e.g. less than a page, with a clear usage examples -- take a
few well known ones like Crimea and Kashmir, and just list all features
(ways/relations) and their tags.  (actually most people don't read beyond
the first paragraph... on the rare days when we read beyond the subject
line ;))

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:57 PM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I thought the proposal was too complicated. This made it difficult to
> review, so I was reluctant to vite. I believe a simpler, more approachabke
> proposal would have a higher chance of success.
>
> I’d recommend reading all of the objections and trying again with a much
> simpler version.
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:34 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 04:22, Johnparis <okosm at johnfreed.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What surprised me, however, was the general lack of interest. I had
>>> thought this was a hot button issue, what with dozens of people registering
>>> with OSM, the big kerfuffle about Crimea, etc. If only 33 people are
>>> interested in this topic, it seems useless for me to continue to try to
>>> refine the proposal.
>>>
>>
>> John, I'm sorry your proposal didn't make it, as it seemed like quite a
>> reasonable idea.
>>
>> I've noticed this before & wonder about the numbers, or lack of them?
>>
>> Yes there's supposed to be ~750000 mappers on OSM.
>>
>> I don't know how many subscribe to the Tagging list (I'm sure someone can
>> tell us?) but for Feb 2019
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-February/author.html,
>> there were posts by only 86 users, 20 of whom made only 1 post, while 37
>> made more than 5.
>>
>> Back to Nov 2018 when your proposal was raised
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-November/author.html
>> & those numbers become 76 total posters, 19 with 1 post, & 32 at +5, so
>> virtually identical.
>>
>> Of those 76 active on the list in Nov, 16 people commented on your
>> proposal. When it came to the vote, 33 people voted, but only 2 of them had
>> made comments on the list, but, strangely enough, only 2 people who
>> commented then voted!
>>
>> Please note that I am in no way criticising people for not contributing
>> to the list - I'm just pointing out that decisions that potentially effect
>> 750000 mappers are seemingly being made by a mere handful of people, a lot
>> of whom apparently aren't talking to anybody about the suggestion?
>>
>> I have no idea how we could improve things so there is more feedback -
>> maybe remove the discussion page from the proposals, so all discussion has
>> to happen on the tagging list?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
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