[Tagging] Wild changes to wiki pages changing the cycleway tagging scheme

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Fri Mar 15 15:34:44 UTC 2019




Mar 15, 2019, 2:57 PM by cmue81 at gmx.de:

> I'm objecting right now and heavily so.
> There are lots of mappers not continuously
> reading the mailing list or that are active
> in other forums, so I do not have to regret
> that I have not been there in 2017 or 2018.
>
> cycleway:right= and cycleway:left=  tags
> are way older.  And no-one thought about
> using "opposite_lane" as a value at the
> time of their introduction.
>
I am not so sure about this. Given that
it is :left :right suffix for cycleway tag it is not 
surprising that some continued to use values
from cycleway tag.


> The wiki was clear in that "lane" and
> "track" values ought to be used.  No-one
> had written up an exclusion list of values
> not to use, because no-one had seen the
> need for such thing.
>
Is it originally documented as open list,
inheriting cycleway values, excluding
some cycleway values, closed list
or left unclear?

If left unclear then I would not assume that
all agree with me.

> If only two values are documented, you'd
> expect that only two values are used, would
> you not?  And in the case, that another value
> ever were added, you'd expect that people
> would think of the implications, discuss the
> implications and modify the doc with the same
> care it originally was written with.
>
Well, I see noticeable use of 
opposite_lane in
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/cycleway%3Aleft#overview <https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/cycleway%3Aleft#overview>

And in general, Wiki documentation is missing many keys 
and values, even ones used 10 000+ times.

So for


> If only two values are documented, you'd
> expect that only two values are used, would
> you not?  
>
answer is "no".



> Where are the wiki edits in 2017 of 2018 of the
> wiki, documenting the results of the mailing
> list discussions back then?
>
In general, people unfortunately rarely
document mailing list discussions on wiki,
even in cases of a clear consensus.
What is quite weird, given that editing wiki has
usually much greater impact on tag usage
than commenting on mailing list.

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