[Tagging] solving iD conflict (was: pointlessly inflamatory title)

[Michael Reichert]

Hi Nick,

Am 23.05.19 um 21:58 schrieb Nick Bolten:
> # My experience with this mailing list:
> - Quick to exasperate.
> - You will be assumed to be coming to the table in bad faith.
> - You will probably be insulted at some point, potentially sworn at.
> - The same 8 or so people respond to posts out of a community of tens of
> thousands of people, companies, non-profits, etc.
> - The odd situation of absolute certainty in completely incompatible
> opinions from those that do respond.
> - Difficult for people to discover. How do we know that the opinions shared
> here are in any way representative of the community, given that so few
> discover + participate in it?
> - Difficult to filter for relevance. Have to set up email filters and/or
> specialized search queries.
> - Zero real synchronization with OSM editors, the only way people add data
> to the map. Blame doled out everywhere, but very little in the way of
> collaboration, no real venue for doing so (see previous bullet points).
> 
> Focusing on the idea of being an "arbiter", does that sound like a good way
> to figure out which tags are good/acceptable?
> 
> When I was mentoring a group of students a few years ago, several were
> offended by the condescending and insulting responses they received on this
> mailing list, all because they suggested making a coherent way of combining
> existing tags into a pedestrian schema and doing a carefully-vetted import.
> The import was so carefully-vetted that we later realized it wasn't even
> really an import, but this didn't stop there being several insulting
> accusations from several long-term OSMers on these lists. Those students
> were motivated by helping other people and spent literal months attempting
> to gather enough information from underspecified tagging standards and
> would have been put off the community entirely if it weren't for the
> project's momentum and much more productive and friendly interactions with
> local OSMers. I think it's probably a good thing that it's so hard to even
> know that there is a mailing list, as users have a negative experience.

Your criticism might have some true points and I am happy that is a bit
more elaborated than a simple "mailing lists are bad and a toxic space".
Don't you think that an accusation without a proof (link to mailing list
archive where I can re-read the discussion that happened at that time)
makes your claims more substantial?

Best regards

Michael


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