[Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com
Wed Oct 9 10:08:28 UTC 2019

Am Mi., 9. Okt. 2019 um 01:50 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>:

> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 00:36, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> the way we are dealing with these distinctions of eating and drinking
>> places is mostly main tags, and subtags only for subtleties. A tiki bar
>> could get amenity=bar, or maybe I’m misguided (I’m not familiar with the
>> kind of place)?
>  It serves elaborate cocktails and is themed around Polynesian culture.
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiki_bar
> It's a bar, just as an Irish pub is a pub, and a Cowboy bar is a bar...
> We're into subtleties,
> not main tags.  Possibly worth mapping so people can decide if they are
> desperate enough
> for alcohol to go there.  Probably not worth mapping because most pub
> themes, with the
> possible exception of Irish bars, tend to change themes every few years
> because people
> get bored with them.

I'm fine with using theme for subtagging and subtleties, I was writing
because I had understood that someone wanted to subtag tiki bars as kind of
pubs, while the name and some pictures I looked at, clearly indicated the
bar tag.

If we have to change these themes "every few years" it is likely long
enough to be considered mappable in principle.

In Italy the only places that get the amenity=pub tags, are Irish or
British pubs (i.e. places that call themselves with English names and
usually carrying "pub" in the name, and typically selling British/Irish
beer and burgers / chips), so there is no big need to make distinctions
within the group of objects with this tag (well, unless you care for/can
define the distinction between Irish and British pubs), but for example in
Germany, where there is a local culture of similar places, and the
community has agreed on using amenity=pub for them, it would seem more
interesting to distinguish the style/theme.

Generally, I believe it could make sense to have a standardized way, to
refer to cultures (maybe language-ISO codes?) or (unambiguos to tag and
suitable for e.g. Irish/British-differentiation) countries (ISO codes) if
it plays a role in the appearance / kind of things they serve, of the
place. On the other hand, similarities may be much more regional than
national (e.g. Austrian and Bavarian could be seen as more similar than
Bavarian and Prussian). Somehow there is already "cuisine" which does this
job (but is focused on food, and has the problem that is one tag for many
things, e.g. "italian", "pizza", "seafood", aren't mutually exclusive
terms, how would you tag a French fish restaurant in Germany with just
cuisine, etc. ). So while it may not be universally useful, I can see a
series of cases where it would provide useful information.

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