[Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Mon Oct 21 07:40:03 UTC 2019


“Sidewalk” is North American English, but it’s used because the
British term is “pavement”, which is confusing due to its dual
meaning. As a North American I would expect it to be separated from
the road by a curb (kerb) or a strip of grass.

Oxford dictionaries definition, Pavement:
"1. British A raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians at the
side of a road.
- ‘he fell and hit his head on the pavement’
- North American term:   sidewalk"
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/pavement

Wikipedia claims:
"... normally separated from the vehicular section by a curb. There
may also be a median strip or road verge (a strip of vegetation..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewalk

These definitions fit my impression, as an American, that a "sidewalk"
is a separate feature, not part of the same paved road surface as the
main lanes of the highway.

If there's just a painted line, we would normally call the space
between the line and the edge of the asphalt "the shoulder" of the
road in a rural area, or it can also be a "bike lane" if it's wide
enough and there are certain markings.

So I'm in favor of a new key like pedestrian_lane=right/left/both,
rather than calling these a type of sidewalk

- Joseph Eisenberg

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mateusz Konieczny
<matkoniecz at tutanota.com> wrote:
>
> 20 Oct 2019, 19:08 by selfishseahorse at gmail.com:
>>
>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 12:42, Tobias Zwick <osm at westnordost.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> How about:
>>>
>>> sidewalk=right
>>> sidewalk:right:kerb=no
>>
>>
>> I dislike using these tags for pedestrian lanes for the following
>> reasons (sorry if i repeat myself):
>>
>> * It doesn't make sense: if it doesn't have a kerb (or any other
>> physical barrier) it isn't a sidewalk.
>
> I am curious about opinion of a native speaker
> of British English.
>
> Are you maybe one?
>
> (Sorry for poor phrasing here,
> I tried to make it less aggressive and failed)
>>
>> * Blind people are able to make out a sidewalk, but not a pedestrian lane.
>
> No one argues against tagging this info.
> We only disagree how it should be tagged.
>>
>> * It's misleading: Data users may not know the tag
>> sidewalk:right:kerb=no and thus may make wrong assumptions. For
>> example, a navigation application may guide a pedestrian along a route
>> with only pedestrian lanes instead of safer route with sidewalks.
>
> And with a new incompatible tag
> routing software may guide along
> road without even such lane, instead of
> using route where at least pedestrian
> lanes are present.
>
> In both cases routing software would
> benefit from an upgrade.
>>
>>
>> * pedestrian_lane=<left/right/both> is simpler for mappers and data users.
>
> Depends on whatever you consider
> it as a low quality sidewalk or
> a separate feature.
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On 10/21/19, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 21. Oct 2019, at 08:51, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am curious about opinion of a native speaker
>> of British English.
>
>
> while I am not, I’m pretty sure the British term is pavement, not sidewalk
> (for the kerb separated way, no idea about the marking separated way)
>
> We had deliberately chosen the word sidewalk for OpenStreetMap tagging
> because of the ambiguity of ”pavement “
>
> Cheers Martin
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