[Tagging] Tourist bus stop
Johnparis
okosm at johnfreed.com
Wed Sep 11 15:19:10 UTC 2019
I believe that tourism is a characteristic of the line, not the stop. PTv2
handles this (as it does so many cases) quite easily.
Here's an example in central Paris of a stop that is served by a "public"
bus line and a "tourist" bus line:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5292142706
The tagging for the stop is fairly straightforward:
bus=yes
highway=bus_stop
public_transport=platform
ref:FR:Open_Tour=17
route_ref=69;OpenTour
Line 69 is operated by the RATP, the regional transit agency. Open Tour is
a tourist line.
By the way, your proposed tag highway=tourist_bus_stop will not render in
OSM Carto, the main map people see when they visit openstreetmap.org. As a
result, many (if not all) potential mappers will be scared away. <rant>This
has been a problem for years since PTv2 was introduced; apparently one
person (as I understand it) in the OSM Carto world doesn't like PTv2, and
so has blocked its implementation there. After many years, the main editors
(iD and JOSM) have finally implemented presets for PTv2, so that's no
longer a problem. (Thanks, Polyglot et al.) But the presets unfortunately
must include the legacy tags, because OSM Carto won't render PTv2 without
them. (Despite comments I sometimes see to the contrary, PTv2 has been
wildly successful in terms of usage.)</rant>
I frankly don't see the difference, either, between a "tourist" line and a
"public" line. Tourist buses are open to the public and charge a fee, just
as public buses do, and in fact "public" bus lines are often privately
owned. If you look at the tagging for the Open Tour line (relation, not the
individual stop) you will see this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7282206
description=bus touristique
name=Open Tour : Ligne Bleue
network=Open Tour
operator=Open Tour
public_transport:version=2
ref=Bleue
route=bus
type=route
That "description" tag is the only one to differentiate this route from a
"public" route. If you really feel such a tag is needed, perhaps simplest
would be to add a tag like this to the route:
tourist=only
...or some such
Finally, it would be a good idea to also send a notice of your proposal to
the talk-transit list, where others might have good suggestions.
Cheers,
John
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 3:48 PM Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:31, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> The description here describes coaches, which are more comfortable than
>> buses and are used for long distances. In French for example this would be
>> the difference between Autocar and Autobus.
>>
>
> That's one end of the spectrum. I'm not sure I'd call it a tourist bus
> (English usage). It's
> a long-distance, comfortable bus. It's just for getting from A to B, not
> what you do at B
> or requiring you to also return.
>
> I would have considered a tourist bus, to be the buses that travel around
>> Central London giving a guided commentary where tourists can get on and off
>> a certain dedicated bus stops close to tourist attractions.
>>
>
> That's the other end of the spectrum. Tourists turn up in London
> (somehow) and get one of
> those things for a guided tour.
>
> Another point on the spectrum is day tours from town A to town B or event
> C, such as
> https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/day-tours/ They're not daily, or
> regularly scheduled, and you
> need to book, so not public buses.
>
> Elsewhere on the spectrum is coach holidays, from town A to town B, with a
> tour of town
> B (similar to the kind offered by London tourist buses), such as
> https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/coach-holidays/
>
> Both of those examples are from my local bus operator, who runs public
> buses in my
> area: https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/local-bus-services/
>
> --
> Paul
>
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