[Tagging] Tourist bus stop

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Thu Sep 19 04:49:33 UTC 2019


This discussion needs to also happen on the proposal page, since it
looks like the original poster is not following all of the emails
here. See:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Tag:highway%3Dtourist_bus_stop

- Joseph

On 9/19/19, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 15:02, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> your government also seems to include them:
>>
>> @Paul From a quick search it seems these specific rules exist in the uk
>> as
>> well, see here:
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs
>> signs giving orders-> No buses (over 8 passenger seats)
>>
>>
> In simple signage, yes.  But if you asked most people do those signs apply
> to coaches
> you'd get a variety of answers, because most people think buses and coaches
> are
> different things (except for long-distance coaches, which are somewhat
> ambiguous).
>
> When you look at the actual law (scattered around several different pieces
> of
> legislation) local bus services carry passengers at separate fares and (if
> I interpret
> it correctly) stops can be no more than 15 miles (straight line distance)
> apart.  Excursions
> and tours (which are usually coaches) are not local bus services.
> Hop-on/hop-off
> sightseeing buses have to be registered as local bus services.  See
> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/705081/PSV353A_local_service_registrations_-_England__except_London__and_Wales.pdf
> Long-distance coaches are not local bus services.  All of those, from the
> outside, may look
> very similar.  Some of those, from the inside, may look different.  Any of
> them may have
> access rights and stopping positions that the others do not.
>
> As far as legislation, common British English usage, and local regulation
> of access rights
> goes, there is no "one size fits all" term meaning "it's the size of a bus,
> it looks like a bus
> and it carries passengers, and we can safely say that all vehicles matching
> those criteria
> have the same access rights."
>
> Long-distance coaches are very similar in operation to local services
> except they have
> provision to carry luggage, stop less frequently, may have a toilet and
> often require advance
> booking yet may be excluded from some roads that permit local service
> buses.  I don't
> have any examples, but it's easy to conceive of situations where such a
> distinction would
> be made.  We can probably accommodate long-distance coaches with PTvX but
> need to
> think about access=*.
>
> Excursion/tour coaches don't fit in with PTvX (except where they share a
> stop with a local
> registered bus service) or access=*.
>
> Sightseeing buses might fit with PTvX (with possibly a lot of ways being
> hail and ride) but
> again may have different access rights to local registered buses.
>
> Or maybe we should try to squeeze the worms back into the can and be happy
> with what
> we have, even though it is not adequate to describe reality.
>
> --
> Paul
>



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