[Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for
grazing.

That means that the trees are used to produce for forestry products:
usually wood or timber, sometimes bark, sap, or other non-food products.

Orchards produce food: usually fruits like bananas, coconuts or oranges,
but also tea leaves, coffee beans, and fruits used for oil like olives and
oil palms. (According to current osm usage)

I think a new tag like secondary_landuse or landuse:secondary would be nice
so we don’t needn’t tags for every common combination, but I’m ok with
orchard=meadow_orchard since it is already in use.

Joseph

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:43 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com
> >:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A
>>> meadow orchard is specifically low density/sparse trees, while silvopasture
>>> indicates a forest/woodland, i.e. denser tree cover.
>>>
>>
>> Really?  I don't see anything in the Wikipedia article that specifies the
>> tree cover is dense.
>>
>
>
> I didn't write it was "dense", I wrote it was "denser", compared to a
> meadow orchard.
>
>
>
>> In
>> fact, it says: "Integrating pasture into existing woodland presents
>> challenges as well: the woodland
>> likely needs to be thinned to increase light infiltration"  It also has
>> pictures of several different
>> silvopastures, none of which appear to have dense tree cover throughout.
>>
>
>
> it is using the term "woodland". For meadow orchards, I would use the term
> "meadow" with trees on it. The term "silvo" also is about a "forest"/woods.
> Can you see the difference?
>
>
>
>
>> Also the meadow in meadow orchard can be used for either pasture or
>>> cutting the grass, while silvopasture implies pasture.
>>>
>>
>> The trees scattered throughout would make it more economic to put animals
>> out to pasture on
>> it than to mow it.  But maybe where you are people do things the least
>> efficient way.  Even if
>> that is the case, I doubt that would remain viable for much longer.
>>
>> BTW, we're probably fooling ourselves in many cases where we say a field
>> is pasture or
>> meadow: it may change from year to year.
>>
>
>
> places in southern Germany used for pasture are often in environments
> where (mechanically) cutting the grass is not feasible, due to steep
> terrain, or where mowing does not make a lot of sense because the soil is
> quite magre.
> My point was that "silvopasture" has different connotations, it is about
> (some kind of) forest with animals grazing below, while meadow orchards is
> about meadows with sparse (fruit) trees on them (or sparse orchards on a
> meadow, if you like to put it the other way round). Silvopasture requires
> pasture, meadow orchards don't.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
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