[Tagging] Tagging and rendering places without a name

[Warin]

Your on the right list!

Over 83% of the tagged 'place's have a name tag.

What kind of 'places' that don't have a name that will not be rendered 
are there?

A quick look in Nigeria...

Some of these are hamlets, villages that can be mapped as 
landuse=residential that will be rendered even without a name.
Some of these are islands/islets that can be mapped using the 
surrounding water way that will be rendered even without a name.

So far I don't see much of a problem?

On 19/4/20 6:22 am, Hidde Wieringa wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This is the first time posting to this mailing list. In case this is 
> the wrong place to post my question, feel free to point me to the 
> correct mailing list/forum.
>
> I opened an issue in the OSM carto Github repository 
> (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115) with 
> the question if places tagged with place=* but without a name could be 
> rendered. The follow-up pull request 
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4120 proposes 
> a rendering for unnamed places.
>
> A discussion erupted, about the conceptual consequences of rendering a 
> place without a name. This goes against the wiki 
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place) where the tag name=* 
> is marked as required. The first line in the wiki is /"Used to 
> indicate that a particular location is known by a particular name, to 
> indicate what sort of "place" it is. [...]"/. However indicating what 
> sort of place it is, does not require a name. Indicating that a place 
> of some sort exists at a certain location is also valuable data (a 
> quick count of Nigeria gives ~9800 nodes of places without a name 
> versus ~69000 nodes of places with a name).
>
> I wish to question the assumption that every place always has or 
> requires a name. The comment of 'sommerluk' on the Github issue 
> (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115#issuecomment-612847759) 
> indicates that there may indeed be small populated places without a 
> name, although larger populated places always have a name in practice.
>
> Also, regions of the world where on-the-ground mapping is not popular 
> will mostly be mapped by remote mappers. Because of that, mapped 
> places will usually not get a name (yet), because mappers are not 
> locally familiar with the place. The data is still useful for 
> humanitarian aid (for example see 
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=nigeria for 
> the many projects in the HOT tasking manager for improving data in 
> Nigeria, in particular missing residential areas). Rendering these 
> places in a visual way makes using the data easier. Later, the unnamed 
> places could still be given a name by a mapper with that knowledge.
>
> The tough question is when some place is considered a 'place' and may 
> be mapped when the name is unknown.
>
> I am curious about further reactions on this topic.
>
> Kind regards,
> /Hidde Wieringa/
>
>
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