[Tagging] Too many different features lumped together under amenity=social_facility?

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Looking more into this, I think the problem is with the residential /
inpatient facilities.

While social_facility=hospice was documented a few years ago,
amenity=hospice was much older, and healthcare=hospice is several
times more common now even though it was not documented. A hospice is
a palliative care facility or service for patients who are terminally
ill, and it is certainly a healthcare facility, so I would support
using amenity= or healthcare= hospice.

Also, amenity=nursing_home is still more common than
social_facility=nursing_home. At least in the USA, a real "nursing
home" is a "skilled nursing facility" with RNs always on staff, who
supervise patients getting their medications and physical therapy
treatment etc - it's sometimes a step-down from a hospital, sometimes
long-term care when you don't really need a full hospital. It's more
healthcare than social. While there are non-medical "nursing homes",
these are under "assisted_living" or "group_home".

I would suggest deprecating social_facility=hospice, and I'm also not
convinced that social_facility=nursing_home is better than
amenity=nursing_home.

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On 4/20/20, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 13:54, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> social_facility=ambulatory_care - "An office for workers who support
>> the living needs of those who can't fully support themselves"
>>
>> Shouldn't that be "office=ambulatory_care" or something else under
>> "office"? Why is an office a social_facility?
>>
>
> Is it just an office where people shuffle paperwork about ambulatory care
> or a place where ambulatory care is provided?  I see a distinction.  But
> if ambulatory care is provided then it should be under healthcare as an
> outpatient facility.
>
>>
>> =outreach "A non-residential facility that provides social welfare
>> services such as advocacy, counseling, job placement, veterans
>> services, housing placement, wellness programs, leisure activities." -
>> Also not residential, not for people who require supervision. This
>> should be a different tag.
>>
>
> Office if it's just paperwork and clients visiting the office.
>
> "social_facility=workshop" "A non-residential work facility that
>> primarily employs people with disabilities. Also includes workshops
>> for rehabilitating or juvenile offenders." - This should be tagged as
>> whatevery kind of "craft=" or other tag is appropriate for the
>> workplace. If they make furniture, it should be craft=furniture. It's
>> very strange to tag this the same as a group home or hospice.
>>
>
> Is it or is it not a social facility within the broad meaning of the term?
> I'd say that it is.  It's a facility.  It's social (in both meanings:
> people
> interact socially and it is a social service).  See, for example,
> https://hutsworkshop.org/about-us  A quote from
> https://hutsworkshop.org/huts-workshop
>
> we provide opportunities for exploration and support in all manner of arts
> and crafts, including pottery, woodwork, jewellery making, painting,
> sewing, weaving and needlework. We also offer support and learning
> opportunities in IT and basic cooking skills. We run regular trips to local
> venues and activities to widen experiences and offer inspiration for
> creativity.
>
> So more than one craft (a lot more) plus things other than crafts.
>
> =clothing_bank/food_bank/soup_kitchen/dairy_kitchen - facility that
>> distributes clothing/food/meals for cheap/free for poor people. These
>> are clearly "social services" in the Western cultural sense, but I
>> think it would make much more sense to tag these differently than a
>> residential group home or hospice or nursing home.
>>
>
> Yep.  Maybe amenity=social_services.  And maybe the workshop above would
> then fit under that but I'd argue that since it provides a measure of day
> care
> it may be better where it is.  I don't think staying overnight is a
> necessary
> precondition of a social facility, but some sort of supervision for hours
> does.  A soup kitchen is unsupervised (in the social services sense).
>
> --
> Paul
>