[Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 4/30/20 12:20 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> place=square seems to fit the bill

place=square exists within the place=* hierarchy which , as documented 
in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place, is used to 
characterize named locations. What we tag here is almost always unnamed.

Our goal is to record the nature of that space - and most importantly 
its functionality as a common free space.


On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 23:18, Joseph Eisenberg 
<joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>> wrote:

    I agree, the area in this spot
    (https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA) is a
    moderly sized open area of bare earth, with buildings on 3 sides and
    a paved streets on a long side. It appears to be used for sports and
    recreation, and for walking. I suspect it might be a "de facto"
    leisure=pitch - in the USA it would be an "empty lot" used for
    soccer/baseball/etc. It could also be a highway=pedestrian +
    area=yes - an open pedestrian area or "town square" - those are
    usually paved in some way in developed countries, but that's not a
    requirement. It does not appear to be a park.

    There was not any formal discussion to deprecate leisure=common, and
    mappers are certainly free to keep using that tag. It was marked as
    deprecated by one wiki user, about a year ago.

    But since the tag it is not well defined, it will be hard for
    database users to interpret what it means.


    On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:41 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
    <tagging at openstreetmap.org <mailto:tagging at openstreetmap.org>> wrote:


        Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by skquinn at rushpost.com
        <mailto:skquinn at rushpost.com>:

            On 4/29/20 14:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

                Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar:
                https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA
                - larger than a
                street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a
                multipurpose common
                area (pickup soccer games are a staple but parking or
                lounging around
                also occur, and the occasional popular event) and
                usually surfaced with
                sand or whatever the ground is.

                We have long tagged it leisure=common (389 ways in
                Senegal and 486 in
                Mali according to http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN) -
                which is a bit of
                stretch from the British legal definition, but worked
                well enough and
                did not conflict with its British usage. But
                leisure=common is now
                deprecated

                So, what should we use instead ?
                https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon
                suggests using
                leisure=park - which isn't too much of a stretch
                functionally but evokes
                greenery that does not occur here (though British
                commons are just as
                green and we were happy with leisure=common)... Any
                other ideas ? Or I'm
                going to use leisure=park+surface=sand !


            While leisure=park might work, there is also
            leisure=recreation_ground
            to consider.


        leisure=recreation_ground sounds fitting to me and is without
        baggage of legal
        status bundled into leisure=commons

        This specific place looks like leisure=pitch. And for example in
        Poland some
        sport pitch may be used for an occasional event, festival of
        various types.

        Note: I am unfamiliar with on-the-ground situation in Africa

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