[Tagging] Things within things | Re: Request for assistance in creating a tag.

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Thu Apr 30 00:20:15 UTC 2020 

I created 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dhospital#Mapping_internal_hospital_structure

Extending, review etc is welcomed.

Apr 13, 2020, 11:27 by rory at technomancy.org:

> I think this is a case of “Things within other things”. How do we map that? For the enclosing hospital, we know how to map that. But how do we map individual parts within it?
>
> e.g. St. James' Hospital in Dublin (OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32015912 ), the hospital has it's own phone number, `website` etc. Within that is a HIV (& STI) clinic http://guideclinic.ie/ It has it's own website, and a specific location. How should that be tagged?
>
> Beumount Hospital ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22634348 ) has is mapped and tagged. The Infection Disease service ( http://www.beaumont.ie/index.jsp?p=105&n=227 ) is “located on the ground floor in St Johns ward”, and has a phone number & email address. How can we map this?
>
> OSM could do much better for indoor mapping, and for shopping centres or train stations, that's easy. Add each `shop` or corridor. But what about a (sorta of) clinic within a larger OSM object?
>
> On 13.04.20 10:48, Mikko Tamura wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the wonderful insights. Currently, what we are tagging is the hospital. So for example, Manila Hospital (tagged as a hospital) we add the tags like disease:hiv=yes. say that it is a treatment facility and it dispenses hiv medicine. But what i am having difficulty is that hiv facility is treated like a department. You can put in the email address and contact details of the hospital but if I add the contact details of the Hiv facility it then gets mixed with the hospital details.
>> In this case A hospital can have a clinic specifically for HIV, and a clinic can also have a small office for HIV patients (not specifically another clinic).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Joseph and Warin most. of the cases are really similar here.
>>
>> For treatment hubs - yes this is for inpatients similarly for the one you described. This is are mostly hospitals but in some cases clinics. My problem here is that a big hospital has alot of contact details for the hospital so the information and contact details for the hiv treatment facility are mixed.
>>
>> For hiv care - yes it is a bit of all a combination. I cant tagged it as a pharmacy as it only releases specific anti-retroviral drugs.
>>
>> Currently We are using this tagging system as assisted by the local OSM community in the Philippines.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIV_Facilities_Tagging_(MapBeks)
>>
>> But I feel the feature gets overshadowed by the hospital/clinic/social facility/office tag. Your thoughts would be very helpful.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  > Treatment hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing):
>>
>>  Are you sure you mean "inpatient?" An "inpatient" facility, in
>>  American English, is a hospital which has beds where patients are
>>  cared for overnight.
>>
>>  This would be mapped as amenity=hospital for the main feature, most
>>  likely.
>>
>>  > primary hiv care (dispensaries+testing)
>>
>>  You don't mention care by a nurse or physician, but I assume this is
>>  an amenity=clinic (with physicians and nurses) which also has an
>>  amenity=pharmacy in the same building. There might also be a
>>  healthcare=laboratory at the location.
>>
>>  > testing centers/clinics (testing only)
>>
>>  Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
>>  laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
>>  doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a laboratory
>>  for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility.
>>
>>  For the speciality, it's possible to use something like
>>  healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic
>>  treats.
>>
>>  But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat HIV
>>  also offer treatment for other infectious  conditions, so a different
>>  specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would usually
>>  be more correct.
>>
>>  I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been used:
>>  https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map
>>
>>  In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any
>>  healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But if you
>>  can only get this done at some specialized places in the Phillipines,
>>  you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for clinics,
>>  doctor's offices, and laboratories.
>>
>>  Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications
>>  from standard pharmacies. But if they are only available from a few
>>  pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like
>>  "hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility.
>>
>>  It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been
>>  used in combination. That seems overlong and complex,  so it would not
>>  have been my first choice:
>>  https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy
>>
>>  -- Joseph Eisenberg
>>
>>  On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
>>  <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  > At present there is the key healtcare.
>>  >
>>  > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare
>>  >
>>  > Some initial thoughts?
>>  >
>>  > healthcare:specialty=HIV_testing
>>  >
>>  > healthcare:specialty=HIV_treatment
>>  >
>>  > HIV dispensary ... would be a pharmacy?
>>  >
>>  > amenity
>>  <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=pharmacy and
>>  > dispensing <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dispensing>=HIV
>>  >
>>  > ???Hopefully there will be better ideas.
>>  >
>>  > On 13/4/20 4:32 pm, Mikko Tamura wrote:
>>  >> Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask assistance
>>  >> in creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging
>>  system
>>  >> for hiv facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be too
>>  >> extensive. We would like it to be more simple. I hope you can
>>  help me
>>  >> with it. I am reading the wiki page and Im having a challenging time
>>  >> doing it.
>>  >>
>>  >> Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics.
>>  Treatment
>>  >> hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care
>>  >> (dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing
>>  only). We
>>  >> have started tagging hospitals which have this features and
>>  honestly I
>>  >> am guessing this would eventually get mixed up with the other
>>  tagging
>>  >> like the contact number of the hospital, etc. Hopefully, we can
>>  >> represent it with a node with basic details specifically for that
>>  >> clinic/department.
>>  >>
>>  >> Hope someone can guide us and thank you in advance.
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