[Tagging] Inclined elevators

[Joseph Eisenberg]

I agree that the indoor or semi-indoor inclined elevators, which are fully
enclosed and look completely similar to a vertical elevator, should be
tagged as highway=elevator.

Once they are outdoors and there are visible tracks it gets ambiguous.

Since the Montmarte "funicular" is tagged as railway=funicular even though
the pairs cars are now no longer connected to one cable, I think we can
edit the Tag:railway=funicular page to mention that the tag is also used
for similar cable-driven inclined railways which are not technically
funiculars, but looks the same to the non-expert.

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 3:30 PM Guillaume Chauvat <guillaume at chauvat.eu>
wrote:

> Sorry for spamming.
>
> I also think it's fine if the Montmarte funicular is tagged as a
> funicular. But I'm asking because of things that are clearly elevators,
> like this one:
> https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-tekniska-hgskolan-metro-station-stermalm-district-stockholm-sweden-41948022.html
> . It goes on a path parallel to the escalators, not vertically (I have been
> inside). To me it looks very wrong to call this a funicular. But maybe
> others disagree...
>
> Guillaume
>
> On 2020-12-05 00:07, Clay Smalley wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 5:00 PM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The wiki page text says that a railway=funicular is "A funicular, also
>> known as an inclined plane or cliff railway, is a cable railway in which a
>> cable attached to a pair of tram-like vehicles on rails moves them up and
>> down a steep slope, the ascending and descending vehicles counterbalancing
>> each other.”
>>
>> However, the description in the infobox (which is much more commonly seen
>> in places like taginfo and iD) is only “Cable driven inclined railway” -
>> and this could include many types of "inclined elevators” which mostly run
>> on rails too. So mappers might be using railway=funicular for inclined
>> elevators already.
>>
>
> Indeed they are. For example, here's the Montmartre Funicular in Paris,
> which was historically a true funicular but is now technically a pair of
> inclined elevators: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29403578
>
> The distinction between a funicular and an inclined elevator is to me a
> technical one. Many inclined elevators, like the previous example, are
> named as funiculars, and passengers may not even notice that they are on
> one or the other - for all they know, they're just on a vehicle going up
> and down steeply sloped rails.
>
> I'm in favor of tagging inclined elevators as funiculars whenever they may
> resemble one. Perhaps an additional tag like
> railway:funicular=inclined_elevator could be invented for those interested
> in the technical details on how the steep-slope-railway-thing works.
>
> -Clay
>
>>
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