[Tagging] Fuzzy areas again: should we have them or not?

[Anders Torger]

Thanks for the feedback Frederik, appreciate it.

I don't think it's entirely fair though. I certainly don't write every 
day. Indeed I can write a lot as I'm quick on the keyboard, and I should 
probably try to be more on the point, that's fair. I have a tendency to 
get into sidetracks when talking about things that interest me, like 
maps.

But if you look at it, it's a starter email, then it's just replies to 
replies. I started two threads yesterday. Anyone is free to reply at the 
speed they want. If replies come slower, my responses to them come 
slower. If I have less time to reply a certain day, my replies come 
slower, (I usually don't start threads busy days though). I don't 
require people to reply fast, never had. It's a thread, people don't 
need to dive into threads dealing in issues they are not interested in 
if they don't want to. And I certainly don't think I win if people don't 
reply, why would I do that? It's not really even about "winning" an 
argument, I don't see it that way, it's about presenting a viewpoint and 
the needs and argue for that and hopefully convince people that there is 
a need somewhere. If someone doesn't reply I just read what their last 
statement on the subject was. I don't invent new emails in my head that 
say "I agree" :-).

But I'm not blind, I see it's not working out well, so regardless of 
what I think is fair or not I need to change the style or just back off. 
It's not that easy though when being passionate about a subject. Sorry 
for that.

/Anders

On 2020-12-21 22:08, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Anders,
> 
> On 12/21/20 21:36, Anders Torger wrote:
>> Actually it seems to me that thinking about several tags at a time 
>> seems
>> to be a fairly new concept ;-)
> 
> I think this is approximately your 15th message today on the tagging
> list. Together, without quotes, you have written about 5,000 words of
> original content.
> 
> Now, we are a community and your opinion is not worth more than that of
> others on the list of course. The total number of regular contributors
> on this list is perhaps around 20. If every one of these 20 wrote as
> much as you do - as would be their right - we'd end up with about
> 100,000 words on tagging, every day.
> 
> The average reading speed of most adults is around 200 to 250 words per
> minute (and that does not include spending time to actually think about
> complex problems, just reading and understanding).
> 
> If every one of the 20 active contributors were writing as much as you
> do, we'd each of us have to spend more than 6 hours reading this list
> every day.
> 
> Even just what you wrote today takes 20 minutes out of the day of the
> average reader (and again, this is only for reading, not for thinking
> about the problem).
> 
> Please consider that many of us juggle many different responsibilities,
> including work, family, or mapping.
> 
> The next time you make a point, or raise a topic for discussion:
> 
> 1. Ask yourself if there's another big discussion currently ongoing. If
> yes, maybe postpone the thing you want to discuss.
> 
> 2. Ask yourself if you have already written more than 1000 words today.
> If yes, maybe postpone your message.
> 
> 3. If you have just started a topic and people are, slowly and as their
> time permits, responsing to what you have written, resist the urge to
> fire off an immediate reply to everyone who writes something. This is
> not "Anders Torger versus the world". You can raise a topic, then you
> should give everyone some time to think about it and say their opinion.
> 
> If you write so much that others stop replying, it doesn't mean you 
> won;
> it means you have ruined the medium.
> 
> Bye
> Frederik