[Tagging] Fuzzy areas again: should we have them or not?

[Anders Torger]

I've read all your points, thank you, but I've got some feedback that I 
write too much, and to not totally bog down the list with my text, I'll 
try to keep replies shorter and just focus on the most important.

Overall, my view is that we are a bit too sensitive in here and get 
insulted a bit too easily, which makes discussion about controversial 
subjects tougher than it needs to be. But that's the reality and I need 
to adapt. I find it to be quite difficult though, probably my bad, just 
know this: I don't want to make people upset, as it serves no purpose. I 
seem to fail again and again though, and I'm sorry for that.

I don't think "disrespect to locals" is over-the-top at all. Urban vs 
rural, native vs settlers is an age-old conflict. Asserting power 
through omission and ignorance is an age-old tactic, and we've been 
guilty of that in Sweden, it's in our less-than-beautiful parts of our 
history so it stirs feelings. But I was not clear enough, it was not 
meant as an attack on OSM at all, I'm sorry that it could be interpreted 
that way. Instead what I meant to say is that what I feel is that *I* 
disrespect locals if *I* omit these names, so I *need* to map them when 
I map in these areas. It was just one in many ways I've tried to explain 
why I consider these names are important, and perhaps raise another 
perspective that not all have thought about. But I'm afraid the point is 
not getting through when it's interpreted as an insult, so I guess 
failed again :-/, I'm sorry.

On 2020-12-21 22:19, stevea wrote:
> "Disrespect to locals" seems over-the-top.  While I strive mightily to
> help you achieve your goals of natural naming (as I and others here
> understand them — and we continue to offer you our earnest
> assistance), there has never been (I speak for myself) any wanton
> disregard or active oppression that would insult locals with
> deliberate omission or "let's frustrate efforts at Swedish natural
> naming."  That's simply false and "flips the script" in a most unfair
> way.  If you want to improve your local area in OSM, do so.  If you
> are having problems "how," ask good questions without complaining at
> how things are, with an eye towards improving things so you (and
> others!) can benefit from the fruits of your efforts.  That is how a
> collaborative, open data project works.  Saying "we" insult "you"
> because you are frustrated with our data, or how we model it, is not
> going to make you any friends here.