[Tagging] Fuzzy areas again: should we have them or not?

[stevea]

On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:25 PM, Anders Torger <anders at torger.se> wrote:
> Overall, my view is that we are a bit too sensitive in here and get insulted a bit too easily, which makes discussion about controversial subjects tougher than it needs to be. But that's the reality and I need to adapt. I find it to be quite difficult though, probably my bad, just know this: I don't want to make people upset, as it serves no purpose. I seem to fail again and again though, and I'm sorry for that.

Anders, I've told people here (off-list) that I don't want to reply to you.  I saw glimmers of being able to encourage you with positivity and good answers to good questions, then you (repeatedly) swept dung into the bucket of clean, white creamy milk as your negativity started up all over again.  I'm done with that; it's a dead end.  So I'll be brief, too.

You are welcome to your view, but you miss my point that I'm insulted or "too sensitive."  You are mistaken that I'm insulted; I'm not.  Your posts are ineffective, not insulting.  Calling people "too sensitive" is a sad, old ploy to try to "flip the script" and "blame the accuser."  That won't work here, I'm calling YOU out on that sort of behavior here and now.

> I don't think "disrespect to locals" is over-the-top at all.

Thank you for your opinion.

> Urban vs rural, native vs settlers is an age-old conflict.

This "conflict" you are inventing as something promulgated by others in OSM is entirely fictional.  Nobody went out of their way to "insult" or "disrespect" you by mapping a certain way (or not) in Sweden.  The point being made is that if an area of the map is underdeveloped, develop it.  With greater community, more robust data, better tagging, smarter tools, a country-specific renderer, or all of the above — preferably all of them.  Yes, that's work, but good maps require a certain amount of work).

> Asserting power through omission and ignorance is an age-old tactic, and we've been guilty of that in Sweden, it's in our less-than-beautiful parts of our history so it stirs feelings. But I was not clear enough, it was not meant as an attack on OSM at all, I'm sorry that it could be interpreted that way. Instead what I meant to say is that what I feel is that *I* disrespect locals if *I* omit these names, so I *need* to map them when I map in these areas. It was just one in many ways I've tried to explain why I consider these names are important, and perhaps raise another perspective that not all have thought about. But I'm afraid the point is not getting through when it's interpreted as an insult, so I guess failed again :-/, I'm sorry.

Thank you for your apology, I accept.  (I don't speak for the whole list of people reading this, of course, I'm simply one).

As I say in situations like this, and it is apt here, again:  "map.  Map well."  Again, good luck in your OSM endeavors.

SteveA