[Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

Florimond Berthoux florimond.berthoux at gmail.com
Sun Jan 12 17:00:52 UTC 2020


Asking me how do I know that Eurovelo 3 is for tourism or bicycle trekking
is like asking me how do I know that Paris is the capital of France.
« Is there a sign saying that Paris is the capital of France? May be we
should remove that tag, don't you think?... »

You don't need sign post to have a route, do you have a sign post at the
intersection of those routes ?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/45.1485/-4.1705
I doubt that.

This is how the Wiki define a route:
« A *route* is a customary or regular line of passage or travel, often
predetermined and publicized. Routes consist of paths taken repeatedly by
people and vehicles: a ship on the North Atlantic route, a car on a
numbered road, a bus on its route or a cyclist on a national route. »
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route

So to paraphrase this for road biking route :
« A road bicycle *route* is a customary or regular line of passage or
travel, often predetermined and publicized as such. Road bicycle routes
consist of paths taken repeatedly by road cyclist. »

And if you don't know then don't tag it and don't manage it.

Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 23:35, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
a écrit :
>
> >  I am not against distinguishing more types of cycling routes, I am all
for it, as long as it's verifyable, mappable with clear tagging, and
manageable.
>
> +1
>
> I started using Openstreetmap because I wanted to add touring routes
> and recreational bike routes in RideWithGPS and then found out that
> http://ridewithgps.com uses Openstreetmap data which I could edit. And
> I get to work and take kids to school and shop by bike - I haven't
> owned a car for 9 years.
>
> So I would love to have more information about what streets and roads
> are best for getting from point A to B, and which ones are nice for
> training rides and which ones are fun for tours.
>
> But tags have to be verifiable: if the next mapper can't confirm that
> a tag as right, the data in Openstreetmap will not be maintained
> properly. Subjective tags cannot work.
>
> I have seen this happen: before I mapped here, I used to try to
> improve the bike routes in Portland Oregon for Google Maps. But since
> there was no definition of a "preferred" bicycle street, and it was
> hard to delete a preferred route once it was added, the bike layer was
> full of disconnected segments. Some were from old city maps of bike
> routes, some were based on the personal preference of the mapper, and
> some were actually signed or marked on the ground, but you couldn't
> tell them apart.
>
> If there is a sign or marking that specifies that a certain route is
> designed for mountain bikes or for bike racing, then sure, you can tag
> that. But most bike routes do not have anything to specify that they
> are more for commuting or more for recreation, and in that case we
> can't tag the distinction.
>
> Fortunately, database users (like routing applications) can look at
> other Openstreetmap data, like surface=* tags on ways, and external
> data like elevation models, to determine if a route is a difficult
> single-track trail through the hills versus a flat paved path along a
> canal, and use this to help route cyclists appropriately.
>
> - Joseph Eisenberg

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Florimond Berthoux
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