[Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

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>    3. Re: Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water
>       fountains. (Joseph Eisenberg)
> >>>> Joseph, of all the suggestions I have seen. Open hours seems the
> cleanest and least ambiguous




>    5. Re: Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water
>       fountains. (Jarek Piórkowski)
>   >>>>  Jarek, I think preferable to avoid seasons on open hours and put
> month range to avoid Northern/Southern hemisphere confusion. What do you
> think?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:52:29 +0900
> From: Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for
>         outdoor water fountains.
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> > seasonal=summer
>
> Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100%
> clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in
> the summer" or "this feature is NOT available in the summer".
>
> As mentioned on the wiki page "Note these values can be ambiguous for
> features that that vary between different states since it can be
> unclear which state occurs at which time of the year."
>
> For a drinking fountain I would assume that "seasonal=summer" meant
> "available only in summer), but for a natural spring in a hot,
> dry-summer climate, I would have to assume that "seasonal=summer" is a
> mistake which meant "not present in summer", though it should have
> been tagged "seasonal=autumn;winter;spring" perhaps.
>
> And here in the tropics it is every more confusing to interpret
> "seasonal=wet_season" and "seasonal=dry_season" - one expects
> "seasonal=dry_season" for roads and "seasonal=wet_season" for rivers,
> but this is not always used properly.
>
> The simple "seasonal=yes/no" is at least clear, though with natural
> features "intermittent=yes/no" is more common and has a similar
> meaning.
>
> On 1/16/20, Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca> wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 01:19, Joseph Eisenberg
> > <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/15/20, European Water Project <europeanwaterproject at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain
> >> > (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and
> >> > drinking_water = yes" )?
> >>
> >> Since drinking fountains are man-made rather than natural features,
> >> they usually have a date when they are turned on or off.
> >> ...
> >> For a drinking fountain which is turned on sometime in April and is
> >> turned off sometime in November, you can use "opening_hours=Apr-Nov".
> >>
> >> If the fountain or drinking fountain will be turned on April 10th and
> >> turned off November 25th, you would use "opening_hours=Apr 10-Nov 25"
> >
> > What is the recommendation in cases where the months when they are
> > turned on and off are not easily determined? I have been thinking of
> > seasonal=summer but happy to take a better tag instead.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --Jarek
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:14:45 -0500
> From: Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for
>         outdoor water fountains.
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> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 20:52, Joseph Eisenberg
> <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > seasonal=summer
> >
> > Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100%
> > clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in
> > the summer" or "this feature is NOT available in the summer".
>
> Ah, good point! So I guess for a drinking fountain seasonal=yes is the
> most reasonable when I don't know the months when it's active (I'm in
> a climate that freezes, so they get shut down sometime before that).
> That's decently human-readable and I'd guess most people will guess
> right when informed that the fountain is "seasonal".
>
> Unfortunately I've just now started noticing that these are shut off
> and while I guess they were actually shut down closer to November...
>
> I was also thinking about public toilets that get closed off in the
> winter (I think because they're not heated, so no water in winter?) -
> I guess opening_hours=off @ (winter) is the best we can do if we don't
> know when they are closed off.
>
> (I'm keeping in mind that "winter" isn't unambiguous, but I hope
> software can apply a rough preset based on hemisphere in which the
> feature is located?)
>
> --Jarek
>
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