[Tagging] 2. Re: RFC free_water

European Water Project europeanwaterproject at gmail.com
Fri Jan 17 22:17:48 UTC 2020


>    2. Re: RFC free_water (Paul Allen)
>
>>>>>Paul, one could imagine offering water in a glass? Or a carafe if for
customers .... yes, we are combatting all single-use waste related to
bottled water.


 3. Re: RFC free_water (Paul Johnson)
>

>>>> Paul, an attempt to address multiple similarly themed comments  at
once.

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 21:06:28 +0000
> From: Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water
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> On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 20:49, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproject at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > 1. Is there free water available ?
> > 2. For whom is it free ? if it is the case that there is free water
> > available
> > 3. If it is free for everyone, can you bring your own container ?.
> >
>
> Do you know of any scheme where you are provided with a free container
> along with your free water?  I would suggest that if there is a charge for
> supplying a container then the water is effectively not free.
>
> Even if the container were free, the whole point of these schemes is
> to provide alternatives to people buying water in disposable containers
> and encourage container re-use.
>
> --
> Paul
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> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:29:57 -0600
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water
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> I'm not sure what European Water Project is doing to break threading, but
> could you kindly not do that?  Most likely this is caused by replying to an
> undigested digest, in which you really should be going with individual
> delivery or using procmail to split the digest into individual messages
> before replying.
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> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 2:48 PM European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproject at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 3. Re: RFC free_water (Alessandro Sarretta)
> >
> > >>>> Francois, Florimond, Alessandro,
> >
> > First, thanks to all of you for taking so much time to reflect on this
> > subject which is core to our project.
> >
> > I see three concepts that need to be described.
> >
> > 1. Is there free water available ?
> > 2. For whom is it free ? if it is the case that there is free water
> > available
> > 3. If it is free for everyone, can you bring your own container ?.
> >
> > Here are some alternatives which seem to be getting traction for each of
> > the three concepts. I have removed free_water as it doesn't seem to be
> > getting consensus.
> >
> > After feedback, I will update the draft proposal.
> >
> > For 1.
> > charge:water=<free/fee>
> > drinking_water:fee=yes/no
> > tap_water:free=yes/no/customers
> >
> >
> > For 2.
> > access:water = <yes/no/customers>
> > tap_water=yes/no/customers
> > drinking_water:access=yes/no/customers
> >
> > For 3.
> > container:water = <bring_own/provided>
> > tap_water:container=*
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 20:25:28 +0100
> >> From: Alessandro Sarretta <alessandro.sarretta at gmail.com>
> >> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water
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> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 17/01/20 12:08, European Water Project wrote:
> >> >
> >> >      2. Re: RFC free_water (François Lacombe)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I see your point and agree it would be preferable to develop a more
> >> > generalize nomenclature, but also think it is important to choose
> >> > something that is understandable to a newbie.
> >> >
> >> > If we chose charge:water
> >> > <
> >>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:charge:water&action=edit&redlink=1
> >=free
> >>
> >> > <
> >>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:charge:water%3Dfree&action=edit&redlink=1
> >we
> >>
> >> > would need to differentiate when the water is free to anyone (yes in
> >> > OSM speak) or just paying customers (customers in OSM speak).
> >> >
> >> > We could use :
> >> > charge:water
> >> > <
> >>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:charge:water&action=edit&redlink=1
> >=<free
> >>
> >> > <
> >>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:charge:water%3Dfree&action=edit&redlink=1
> >> >/fee>
> >> > access = <yes/no/customers>
> >> > container = <bring_own/provided>
> >> >
> >> > In the above, European Water Project would only include cafés, bars,
> >> > etc. with
> >> > charge:water
> >> > <
> >>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:charge:water&action=edit&redlink=1
> >=free
> >>
> >> > <
> >>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:charge:water%3Dfree&action=edit&redlink=1
> >> >
> >> > access = yes
> >> > container = bring_own
> >>
> >> If you use the tag /access/ alone, it could refer to the "main" feature
> >> (the bar or restaurant...).
> >>
> >> And water is probably too general... I try suggesting to use
> >> /tap_water/, that should clearly state that is not bottle water :-)
> >>
> >> So it could be:
> >>
> >>   * tap_water=yes/no/customers
> >>   * tap_water:free=yes/no/customers
> >>   * tap_water:container=*
> >>
> >> This way it seems to me you should be able to cover all the
> >> possibilities clearly.
> >>
> >> m2c
> >>
> >> Ale
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