[Tagging] RFC free_water

Jez Nicholson jez.nicholson at gmail.com
Wed Jan 22 10:44:36 UTC 2020


Yes....but (I believe that) this tag is driven by the 'refill scheme' use
case, which should be identifiable on-the-ground by displayed information.
Data could be collected by apps built by the schemes.

The general case of "will a retailer give me free water as a customer" case
is discussed to see whether it would make for a generic tag.

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:45 AM Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:

> I would tend to agree with Frederik.
>
> In GB (1) all licensed premises (2) must offer free tap water to
> customers. This covers all  pubs and bars, most restaurants and some cafe.
> The mappers time would be far more efficiently spent adding a tag to
> indicate which restaurants and cafes are licensed. This can be verified
> from outside, which is simple.
>
> Retail mapping, and keeping it current, is hard enough. You cannot
> practically gather this information by walking into cafes and asking, that
> would not be efficient and if you rely on places you have been a customer
> you.will end up with very incomplete data.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
> 1. Wales, Scotland and England. Northern Irish law is different on this.
>
> 2. Licensed to sell alcohol.
>
>
> On Wednesday, 22 January 2020, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 17.01.20 07:37, European Water Project wrote:
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Free_Water
> >
> > My opinion on this is:
> >
> > 1. It is not something that should be mapped in OSM at all; this is a
> > volatile property like mapping menu items for a restaurant or product
> > offers for a supermarket and may change at any time.
> >
> > 2. Even if we wanted to map this property, insofar as a whole chain has
> > been signed up ("all XYZ outlets in ABC country offer free water"), it
> > is wasteful to add the tag to every single outlet and it should just be
> > recorded centrally (i.e. an app displaying free water options should
> > simply highlight all outlets with operator=X or brand=X).
> >
> > 3. When we're talking about non-chain restaurants, the decision whether
> > a random traveller will be offered a free refill for their water bottle
> > can very well depend on the day of week, how politely the traveller
> > asks, or how busy the place is - just because you've been given free
> > water doesn't mean you should claim everybody gets it every time.
> >
> > 4. Even if all of the above were ignored, I think "free=yes" is too
> > limited, and would concur with those who have suggested a "fee=no"
> > approach, because if you are charged a dollar for your refill you can
> > simply put "fee=$1".
> >
> > Bye
> > Frederik
> >
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