[Tagging] network tag on route relations

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Mon Jul 13 18:27:11 UTC 2020

What is a recreational route and how's it got anything to do with talking
about modality?

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:25 PM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nederland, Germany and Belgium also have walking routes, horse routes,
> inline-skating routes, canoe routes, motorboat routes. Also a myriad of
> node networks for all the modalities, some completely developed and
> covering the country (cycling node networks), some almost nation-wide but
> locally or regionally maintained (walking node networks), some in the early
> stages but spreading rapidly, also to other countries (Austria, France,
> Spain).
> The lXn, rXn, nXn, iXn system, combined with network:type=node_network,
> operator, and ref, , covers all recreational routes, in many countries with
> very different systems of administration and maintenance.
> If there is a conflict between the use of those routes and the highway
> road routes coding system, that would be a problem requiring a solution.
> Perceived inconsistency  between clearly different uses of the route
> relation iis not.
> I think this recreational route network coding has earned its place.
> Still, if an actual problem arises, I would be happy to help solve it. I
> know some people think the network=XXn system is principally flawed and
> should never have been approved, but I have yet to see one actual problem
> and it appears to do the job around the world, for recreational routes of
> all scopes and modalities, even though countries have very different
> administration and maintenance systems from completely central to
> distributed and chaotic, and different for most modalities.
> Best, Peter Elderson
> Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 18:51 schreef Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com>:
>> I am not saying get rid of the network tag, I am saying we should be
>>> consistent.  In the above case, if  network=UK (instead of network=ncn),
>>> one would know it is national. First because the UK is a nation and there
>>> is no smaller jurisdiction that follows "UK" in the tag, and because there
>>> would be cycle routes all over the UK where network=UK.
>> Numbering in the UK reflects the "importance" of a route:
>> National routes carry two-digit numbers
>> Regional routes carry three-digit numbers
>> Local cycle routes are less consistently labelled.
>> OSM, born in the UK  has inherited this approach
>> The UK national bicycle network is managed by Sustrans - see
>> https://www.sustrans.org.uk/national-cycle-network
>> Similarly tiered systems exist in the Netherlands and Germany.
>> In Italy there is a similar approach, that mirrors the administrative
>> organisation of the country: National routes connect several regions.
>> Regional routes connect severela provinces and local routes are typically
>> within a single province.
>> Volker (Italy)
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