[Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Mon Mar 16 00:31:51 UTC 2020

On 16/3/20 11:02 am, brad wrote:
> On 3/15/20 3:14 PM, Warin wrote:
>> On 16/3/20 6:01 am, brad wrote:
>>> On 3/14/20 9:47 PM, Warin wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> The present description of landuse=meadow is;
>>>> An area of meadow or pasture: land primarily vegetated by grass and other non-woody plants, mainly used for hay or grazing.
>>>> That places the land cover before the land use. The emphases should be on the land use, the land use should be first?
>>>> Possibly a better description:
>>>> An area of meadow or pasture: land primarily used to produce hay or for grazing of animals. Usually vegetated by grass and other non-woody plants.
>>>> I am trying to get mappers not to use this for areas of grass land that could be more appropriatly tagged natural=grassland.
>>>> Thoughts?
>>> I disagree.  Perhaps a regional definition?  I think meadow is the 
>>> land cover, pasture is the land use
>>> This would match my definition:
>>> Meadow:  "a field with grass and often wild flowers in it: "
>>> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/meadow
>>> or
>>> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/meadow
>>> "A meadow is a field which has grass and flowers growing in it. "
>>> Locally, (Colorado, USA), we might call a grassy area high in the 
>>> mountains an alpine meadow, and it may not have any domesticated 
>>> animals grazing it.
>> Is that not the tag natural=grassland? The tag natural=grassland is 
>> for a land cover of grass .. I think that is what you want.
>> The key' landuse' should not be used for land cover, so 
>> landuse=meadow should not be used for any land cover.
>> The presence of grass is an indication that the land use of grazing 
>> or cropping of hay might, just might take place.
> Good point.  I overlooked the left side of that equation, landuse= 
> .     I still don't like landuse=meadow, but I guess this is British 
> English, so I won't argue the point
> landuse = pasture, or hay
> and
> natural = meadow (or natural=grassland)
> Make more sense to me.
> Note that the definitions for meadow that I quoted talk about a 
> landcover, not a landuse.

And here is an excellent demonstration of the problem with the OSM 
description of landuse=meadow.

If the description contained the land use first then that would be more 
prevalent in the mind of the reader, particularly when the reader is 
after quick information.

> Perhaps we should deprecate landuse=meadow
> I think there could be a distinction between a meadow (something that 
> may have more 'other stuff' than grass), and grassland.

What 'other stuff'?

Grass covers a lot more than the domestic stuff most are thinking of. 
Some grasses get to over 2 metres (6 foot) tall.

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