[Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Mon Mar 23 00:41:22 UTC 2020

Curious: what is the translation used in Portuguese?

Do you also know the English description of place=square used in iD?

On 3/23/20, António Madeira <antoniomadeira at gmx.com> wrote:
> I agree that the place=square needs some kind of polishing, specially
> regarding name tag, which should be mandatory.
> In Portugal, the definition of square can have three meanings, depending
> on its size and region, but it's easy to map them because they all have
> name.
> The problem with iD can be its translation/localization. The Portuguese
> community had to discuss what was the best translation so that newbies
> could get it right more often via iD.
> Maybe this must be done also in Germany.
> Às 10:46 de 22/03/2020, Tom Pfeifer escreveu:
>> Yes there is inconsistent use of place=square, in particular for
>> _unnamed_ objects.
>> As the place=* key is used to indicate that a particular location is
>> known by a particular name,
>> a place=* tag without a name is fundamentally wrong.
>> (As the world is not black and white, there might be exceptions.)
>> In Germany alone I found >600 such taggings, and all I probed were:
>> 1. not squares as in the definition, but small and insignificant paved
>> surfaces, like a round piece of footway in a park, the service yard of
>> a fire station, or similar.
>> 2. they were all added by the iD editor, typically since 2018.
>> Thus my assumption is that place=square is suggested in an iD preset
>> to unsuitable features.
>> Could somebody with sufficient iD insight check what that preset
>> suggests, and why it does not ask for names?
>> Further I recommend that everybody checks their area for place=square
>> _without a name_, evaluate what it is and adjust the tagging. This can
>> not (!) be done mechanically, besides the issues with mechanical
>> edits, because the correct tagging will differ (e.g. highway=service +
>> area=yes; or highway=footway + area=yes), or the tag was correct
>> indeed and the name has been forgotten.
>> Query for unnamed square in a bounding box:
>> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ROw
>> I also suggest to update wiki descriptions of place=* tags, upgrading
>> the "name=*" from "useful combination" to "required", and add that to
>> validators.
>> tom
>> On 21.03.2020 01:32, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>>> A few of us have been updating the Tag:place=square page, and Square:
>>> Unfortunately, this tag has been used rather inconsistently around the
>>> world, often for any feature that includes the word "square" or a
>>> translation of that word, or which might be considered similar in the
>>> local language.
>>> Some poorly mapped examples are shown on github:
>>> *https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4043#issuecomment-593045858
>>> *
>>> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4043#issuecomment-593046473
>>> *
>>> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4043#issuecomment-593046673
>>> Check if any of the place=square features in your area should instead
>>> be junction=yes (for a named street intersection or road junction) or
>>> leisure=park or place=neighborhood.
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