[Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com
Mon Mar 23 09:42:27 UTC 2020


Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 06:26 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>:

> "Praça ou largo: Praça, praceta ou largo: espaço numa zona urbana,
> normalmente sem edifícios (apenas a volta desta), que constitui um
> espaço público aberto"
>
> This translates back to English as (approximately):
> "Praça, praceta or largo: space in an urban area, usually without
> buildings (except for around it), which constitutes a public open
> space"
>


sounds reasonable (apart that there may be buildings on a square, is not
untypical)


 I'll update this to the new definition from the English page.
>



Which you keep reverting to your interpretation of square. It currently
reads "A town or village square: a hardscaped open public space, generally
of architectural significance, which is surrounded by buildings in a
built-up area such as a city, town or village."


While I do not object that this is describing a part of all squares, I do
object that these are criteria which are suitable to exclude objects. For
example  "surrounded by buildings" is a typical situation, but is not a
strict requirement. A public square surrounded by walls would be equally
ok, for instance. A square which is not paved would be ok as well (not
usual in many parts of the world, but quite common in others, where road
paving is generally rare). Let me post some more examples of squares here:


Example for a famous square with buildings on it (Krakov):
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.06164/19.93764

Example for a square that is not mainly hardscaped (although in a developed
country), Strausberger Platz in Berlin (socialist urbanism)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.51865/13.42866

Two adjacent squares, with significant parts not hardscaped: Platz vor dem
Neuen Tor, and Robert-Koch-Platz in Berlin
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.52851/13.37865

Another example for a socialist square, mostly open / flowing space, center
is a traffic junction: Platz der Vereinten Nationen:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.52328/13.42999

Square that is not surrounded / delimited by buildings (but by walls):
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24534437

Another example for a square that is not at all delimited by buildings:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2743565

Example for a minor square without a lot of "architectural significance"
(well, this may depend on your definition of significance, significant
compared to what? One could also say thisi is significant, as it clearly
stands out as open space from the road grid):
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/125988144




> I've also created an Indonesian page, which gives a couple examples of
> "alun-alun" in Indonesia which fit the definition:
>
> 1)
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Alun-alun_Garut.jpg/400px-Alun-alun_Garut.jpg
>
> 2)
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Alun_-_Alun_Bandung_Masjid_Raya_Bandung.jpg/400px-Alun_-_Alun_Bandung_Masjid_Raya_Bandung.jpg
>
> But there are many other alun-alun that are grassy urban parks, not
> squares:
>
> A)
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zpwpVxKz0q0/UXoUmFzUAXI/AAAAAAAABpI/brIHP9_dQQY/s400/images.jpg
>
> B)
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alun-alun_Tugu_-_Bunder_-_panoramio.jpg
>
> C)
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Square_Trenggalek_-_Alun-Alun_Trenggalek_-_panoramio_(10).jpg
>
>

>From photos it is hard to judge these, because you would usually need to
see the context in order to understand whether these are just parks or
parks on squares. I also notice that these are all huge. Try to think of
small squares as well, e.g. places like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/41/da/8341dab9b3f5b929cc136f06b01bb3cb.jpg
http://www.italymoviewalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/fontana-delle-tartarughe-roma-movie-walks.jpg

Cheers
Martin
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