[Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

António Madeira antoniomadeira at gmx.com
Mon Mar 23 16:48:31 UTC 2020

Although in Portugal squares are very well defined, either from their
physical significance or from their name, this is surely not the case in
every country.
Maybe one of their main common characteristics is that they're open
urban areas, a point of confluence where people can gather for social or
cultural events.
I think it won't be possible to find a better common denominator and
that's why there should be good examples on the English wiki and on
other countries' wiki.

Às 06:42 de 23/03/2020, Martin Koppenhoefer escreveu:
> Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 06:26 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg
> <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>>:
>     "Praça ou largo: Praça, praceta ou largo: espaço numa zona urbana,
>     normalmente sem edifícios (apenas a volta desta), que constitui um
>     espaço público aberto"
>     This translates back to English as (approximately):
>     "Praça, praceta or largo: space in an urban area, usually without
>     buildings (except for around it), which constitutes a public open
>     space"
> sounds reasonable (apart that there may be buildings on a square, is
> not untypical)
>      I'll update this to the new definition from the English page.
> Which you keep reverting to your interpretation of square. It
> currently reads "A town or village square: a hardscaped open public
> space, generally of architectural significance, which is surrounded by
> buildings in a built-up area such as a city, town or village."
> While I do not object that this is describing a part of all squares, I
> do object that these are criteria which are suitable to exclude
> objects. For example  "surrounded by buildings" is a typical
> situation, but is not a strict requirement. A public square surrounded
> by walls would be equally ok, for instance. A square which is not
> paved would be ok as well (not usual in many parts of the world, but
> quite common in others, where road paving is generally rare). Let me
> post some more examples of squares here:
> Example for a famous square with buildings on it (Krakov):
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.06164/19.93764
> Example for a square that is not mainly hardscaped (although in a
> developed country), Strausberger Platz in Berlin (socialist urbanism)
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.51865/13.42866
> Two adjacent squares, with significant parts not hardscaped: Platz vor
> dem Neuen Tor, and Robert-Koch-Platz in Berlin
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.52851/13.37865
> Another example for a socialist square, mostly open / flowing space,
> center is a traffic junction: Platz der Vereinten Nationen:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.52328/13.42999
> Square that is not surrounded / delimited by buildings (but by walls):
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24534437
> Another example for a square that is not at all delimited by buildings:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2743565
> Example for a minor square without a lot of "architectural
> significance" (well, this may depend on your definition of
> significance, significant compared to what? One could also say thisi
> is significant, as it clearly stands out as open space from the road
> grid): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/125988144
>     I've also created an Indonesian page, which gives a couple examples of
>     "alun-alun" in Indonesia which fit the definition:
>     1)
>     https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Alun-alun_Garut.jpg/400px-Alun-alun_Garut.jpg
>     2)
>     https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Alun_-_Alun_Bandung_Masjid_Raya_Bandung.jpg/400px-Alun_-_Alun_Bandung_Masjid_Raya_Bandung.jpg
>     But there are many other alun-alun that are grassy urban parks,
>     not squares:
>     A)
>     http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zpwpVxKz0q0/UXoUmFzUAXI/AAAAAAAABpI/brIHP9_dQQY/s400/images.jpg
>     B)
>     https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alun-alun_Tugu_-_Bunder_-_panoramio.jpg
>     C)
>     https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Square_Trenggalek_-_Alun-Alun_Trenggalek_-_panoramio_(10).jpg
> From photos it is hard to judge these, because you would usually need
> to see the context in order to understand whether these are just parks
> or parks on squares. I also notice that these are all huge. Try to
> think of small squares as well, e.g. places like this:
> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/41/da/8341dab9b3f5b929cc136f06b01bb3cb.jpg
> http://www.italymoviewalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/fontana-delle-tartarughe-roma-movie-walks.jpg
> Cheers
> Martin

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