[Tagging] Change of wiki page Key:access

[Warin]

On 25/5/20 8:28 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
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> May 24, 2020, 23:42 by voschix at gmail.com:
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>     The strict wording introduced by Florian is simply not practically
>     applicable here.
>     My questions are:
>     Is Italy the only country with this problem?
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> Poland used to be similar, though police sometimes setup trap where 
> they were fining people -
> in sudden campaigns with several traps appearing for several hours 
> every few months.
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> Favorite traps included cycleways crossing roads, where cyclists were 
> obligated by law to dismount
> due to missing cyclist crossings.
> Some routes had such crossing every 200 - 250m, nobody was following 
> that law.
bicycle=dismount I have used, despite common practice not to dismount. 
Similar to maxspeed, sign posted and legal yet many go faster.
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> I was tagging legal status, and had some discussions with other mappers
> whatever it is desirable to do it this way.
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> Currently most of missing cyclist crossings are added[1], signs (for 
> example in forests)
> more commonly explicitly allow bicycles, oneway:bicycle=no is becoming 
> more common
> at least in some cities...
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> [1] It turned out that blocker was completely idiotic law requiring 
> pedestrian + cyclist crossings
> to be at least 7 m wide, for smaller ones including cyclist crossing 
> was against rules.
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>     Is there any better proposal for tagging the situation "from all I
>     can see on the ground, you are allowed ride through with your bicycle"
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> Not sure what I would do in cases where access law as written and 
> access law as executed
> would completely diverge.
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> Setup new tags specially to allow to tag both verifiable legal status 
> and verifiable
> de facto status?
>
> bicycle=no
> bicycle:de_facto=permissive
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> (even bicycle=permissive, bicycle:ignored_law=no would be an 
> improvement over
> current state of not tagging legal status)
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> It is out of OSM scope but I also had some successes with requests to 
> add missing
> "except bicycles" under various traffic signs (on average in last 
> years - about one added every month),
> in some cases it was simpler than inventing fitting tagging scheme for 
> really absurd cases.


"Rules are for the guidance of the wise, and the obedience of fools."

The law cannot recognize the wise so all are deemed fools.

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