[Tagging] [Talk-ml] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

[Warin]

On 4/5/20 1:12 am, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
>
> So, this discussion gravitates towards using landuse=common for those 
> African urban freely accessible multipurpose open spaces, which I 
> fully support.
>
> Implementing this change requires the following actions:
>
> - Editing the leisure=common wiki page, in French and in English (I'll 
> do that)
>

You will need to be very clear what a 'common' is and how it is 
different from other tags such as amenity=marketplace, leisure=park.


To me? Something like...

A 'common' is an area available for use by the local community. Examples 
include a weekly market (daily markets should be tag 
amenity=marketplace), community meetings/celebrations. A 'leisure=park' 
is more appropriate for areas set aside for individual or small group 
rest and recreation.

> - Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in downstream 
> cartographic styles, would be even better if the color matched the 
> surface=* so that sandy surfaces don't appear green.
>
> - Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in JOSM's default style 
> (it recently changed to grey to mark deprecation). (I'll open a JOSM 
> ticket
>
> - Altering QA rules (JOSM Validator and Osmose) so that the 
> leisure=common deprecation only applies to the United Kingdom of Great 
> Britain, where commons have a legal definition and designation=common 
> must be used for them. (I'll open a JOSM ticket but if someone has 
> prior experience interacting with the Osmose people, that would be nice)
>
>
> On 5/3/20 4:19 PM, severin.menard via Tagging wrote:
>> Je suis d'accord avec Pierre : le tag landuse=common convient bien à 
>> ces espaces ouverts dans les villages et villes africaines et un parc 
>> n'a pas grand-chose à voir avec.
>> ----
>> I agree with Pierre: the tag landuse=common is well suited to these 
>> open spaces in African villages and towns and a park has little to do 
>> with it.
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 21:59, Pierre Béland via Talk-ml 
>> <talk-ml at openstreetmap.org> a écrit :
>>
>>> Like others, I did map many of these. I can tell you that we often 
>>> see a common space in center of african villages, often near the 
>>> school,  and  it is surely not green and have no facilities like in 
>>> the Nordic countries parks.
>>>
>>> People have to understand that there are often no infrastructures in 
>>> African villages. But young people still gather and play.
>>>
>>> I dont think that the OSM tagging schema should reflect the legal 
>>> status in specific countries like UK. Various tags can reflect 
>>> various realities.  And leisure=common seems to be quite well 
>>> adapted to Africa and dont exist to stretch the legal defininition 
>>> of UK.
>>>
>>> When the tag is used in UK, I would understand that the UK 
>>> contributors want to follow a certain rule particular to their country.
>>>
>>> But I dont agree to deprecate the the leisure=common tag for Africa.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 15 h 34 min 57 s UTC−4, Jean-Marc Liotier 
>>> <jm at liotier.org> a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar:
>>> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a
>>> street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a multipurpose common
>>> area (pickup soccer games are a staple but parking or lounging around
>>> also occur, and the occasional popular event) and usually surfaced with
>>> sand or whatever the ground is.
>>>
>>> We have long tagged it leisure=common (389 ways in Senegal and 486 in
>>> Mali according to http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN) - which is a bit of
>>> stretch from the British legal definition, but worked well enough and
>>> did not conflict with its British usage. But leisure=common is now
>>> deprecated
>>>
>>> So, what should we use instead ?
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon suggests using
>>> leisure=park - which isn't too much of a stretch functionally but 
>>> evokes
>>> greenery that does not occur here (though British commons are just as
>>> green and we were happy with leisure=common)... Any other ideas ? Or 
>>> I'm
>>> going to use leisure=park+surface=sand !
>>
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