[Tagging] [Tagging-fr] [Talk-ml] [Talk-sn] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

[Rafael Avila Coya]

Hi, Marc:

What I say is that, following this thread it's not clear to many of us 
that we have to deprecate a tag with which we are quite happy, and that 
a more clear definition would suffice to go on using it. Like for 
example the defining characteristics suggested by Jean-Marc Liotier today:

"The defining characteristics are: being open to public, not designated 
for a specific purpose, not landscaped (or that would be a park), not a 
marketplace (in West Africa, marketplaces are regulated and occur almost 
only at designated locations), not a pitch (when a couple pairs of 
goalposts are planted at extremities, the pitchness sometimes takes 
precedence and a few such locations are rightfully mapped as soccer 
pitches - but usually playing ball is just one of the uses of such places)".

So yes: I dispute that *statement*, as it doesn't reflect the geo object 
we are talking about. We are talking about the object that Jean-Marc 
(and others) are pointing and trying to give a good definition.

Cheers,

Rafael.

O 25/05/20 ás 14:15, Marc M. escribiu:
> there's an *observation* that this tag has different meanings,
> from a few blades of grass between 2 streets to a paved surface
> for the big annual village party.
> Do you dispute that *statement* ?
> or do you want to deny it and repeat that only your meaning should
> be taken into account ?
> If you use it in your neighborhood, your own application may decide that
> your meaning is the only common sense, but on a global level, this can't
> succeed.
>
> You seem to be talking about depreciation as if there was a voting
> procedure, whereas in this case it's more like "these multiple meanings
> make the tag unusable worldwide, fortunately there are less ambiguous
> alternatives".
>
> Le 25.05.20 à 00:19, Rafael Avila Coya a écrit :
>> Unless you demonstrate me that I am wrong, the tag leisure=common was
>> deprecated without any agreement with the community. So it's clearly not
>> a deprecated tag. Another thing is what you actually think about the tag
>> itself.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rafael.
>>
>> O 23/05/20 ás 20:49, Marc M. escribiu:
>>> Agree on what?
>>> That leisure=common needs a replacement ? Yes.
>>> that replacement must be different from what needs to be replaced ?
>>> it seems logical to me but some people think that replacing a
>>> depreciated tag by itself will solve the problems that led to its
>>> depreciation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 22.05.20 à 15:46, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit :
>>>> So, we are actually all in agreement, aren't we ?
>>>>
>>>> Nous sommes donc tous d'accord, non ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/3/20 6:00 PM, severin.menard wrote:
>>>>> Oui désolé, en effet je me suis trompé sur la clé !
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes sorry, my mistake regarding the right key!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>> Le dimanche 3 mai 2020 17:54, Pierre Béland via Talk-ml
>>>>> <talk-ml at openstreetmap.org> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oups un instant Jean-Marc. Erreur sans doute de la part de Séverin,
>>>>>> je disais bien
>>>>>>    leisure=common
>>>>>>
>>>>>> En
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oops a moment Jean-Marc. Probably a mistake on Séverin's part, I did
>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>    leisure=common
>>>>>> */ /*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le dimanche 3 mai 2020 11 h 13 min 40 s UTC−4, Jean-Marc Liotier
>>>>>> <jm at liotier.org> a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, this discussion gravitates towards using landuse=common for those
>>>>>> African urban freely accessible multipurpose open spaces, which I
>>>>>> fully support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Implementing this change requires the following actions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Editing the leisure=common wiki page, in French and in English
>>>>>> (I'll do that)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in downstream
>>>>>> cartographic styles, would be even better if the color matched the
>>>>>> surface=* so that sandy surfaces don't appear green.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in JOSM's default style
>>>>>> (it recently changed to grey to mark deprecation). (I'll open a JOSM
>>>>>> ticket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Altering QA rules (JOSM Validator and Osmose) so that the
>>>>>> leisure=common deprecation only applies to the United Kingdom of
>>>>>> Great Britain, where commons have a legal definition and
>>>>>> designation=common must be used for them. (I'll open a JOSM ticket
>>>>>> but if someone has prior experience interacting with the Osmose
>>>>>> people, that would be nice)
>>>>>>
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