[Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor
António Madeira
antoniomadeira at gmx.com
Thu Nov 12 20:53:07 UTC 2020
Thank you, Joseph.
If no one opposes, I'll do just that.
Regards.
Às 16:43 de 12/11/2020, Joseph Eisenberg escreveu:
> Since the tag man_made=threshing_floor has already been used 7 times
> (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=threshing_floor#values)
> you can create a page to document this, however, you would also need
> to mention that historic=threshing_floor is much more common (actually
> landuse=threshing_floor is also equally common), and it would probably
> be fair to create a historic=threshing_floor wiki page too, in that case.
>
> If you want to suggest deprecating historic=threshing_floor and
> replacing it with man_made=threshing_floor, or otherwise changing
> existing common usage, you should make a proposal so that the
> community can discuss this.
>
> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:53 PM António Madeira via Tagging
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org <mailto:tagging at openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
>
> So, given that most of those who commented this thread agreed that
> threshing_floor should be in the man_made scheme, should I add it
> to the wiki or create a Feature Proposal?
>
>
> Às 19:27 de 06/11/2020, Paul Allen escreveu:
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 21:53, Martin Koppenhoefer
>> <dieterdreist at gmail.com <mailto:dieterdreist at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Am Fr., 6. Nov. 2020 um 13:56 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen
>> <pla16021 at gmail.com <mailto:pla16021 at gmail.com>>:
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 09:09, Martin Koppenhoefer
>> <dieterdreist at gmail.com <mailto:dieterdreist at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> To me it doesn't make sense to draw a line, dividing
>> the same objects having more or less historic value.
>> If there is something to distinguish at all, my
>> suggestion would be to add a qualifier to those
>> objects of exceptional historical value (if this is
>> verifiable).
>>
>>
>> We have a way of tagging objects of exceptional
>> historical value, it's
>> historic=*. Objects of unexceptional historical value,
>> or of no historical
>> value do not get tagged with historic=*. That's because
>> historic is
>> not a synonym (in the real world or in tagging) for old,
>> disused or
>> repurposed.
>>
>>
>> just that it is not what we are currently doing.
>>
>> That is not what some of us are currently doing. Others read the
>> wiki page
>> and tag accordingly.
>>
>> It occurs to me that some of the mis-tagging (as I see it) and
>> some of the
>> discussions here may revolve around semantics as interpreted by
>> those who do not have English as a first language. There is a
>> difference between "historical" and "historic."
>>
>> Historians are concerned with historical data. Old data (about
>> populations, diseases or whatever) is historical data. The
>> assassination of a minor archduke, which seemed unimportant
>> at the time, quickly turned into a historic event.
>>
>> When somebody says that "historic" applies to everything that
>> historians do, that is incorrect. What historians mostly do is
>> look at historical data, some small fraction of which is
>> also historic.
>>
>> See https://www.grammarly.com/blog/historic-historical/
>> for a better explanation.
>>
>> So historic=* really should only apply (as the wiki page states)
>> to the important
>> things of the past, not everything some random historian might happen
>> to be looking into.
>>
>> So the question is, do we accept that because some mappers have
>> misused
>> the tag we should encourage that misuse or do we discourage it?
>>
>> --
>> Paul
>>
>>
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