[Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

Dave F davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com
Mon Oct 19 13:01:00 UTC 2020


Irrelevant of any implied meaning, 'man_made' always appeared to be a 
clunky, catch-all tag. OSM was being a bit lazy.
I mean, *everything* is either man made or natural.  We really should 
come up with more specific, accurate key tags.

DaveF

On 19/10/2020 12:45, Jo wrote:
> It would be best to first consider the consequences of such a change. 
> Weigh the benefits against what we lose in time (humanhours?) and 
> resources/energy. And then there is still the point that many objects 
> will get new timestamps for a change that's not really a change.
>
> Anyway, artificial sounds like made up to me. artificial=dyke, not 
> really a dyke, but it looks like it.
>
> man_made has the advantage of being succinct. Most people will 
> immediately understand what is meant by it. Almost nobody will think 
> women were not involved in the creation of the feature.
>
> Polyglot
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:42 PM Robert Delmenico <robert at rtbk.com.au 
> <mailto:robert at rtbk.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     Nice investigating Nathan,
>
>     I would be open to using artificial instead of human_made.
>
>
>     Would it be best to change the proposal or start a second proposal?
>     Change man_made= to artificial=
>
>     Rob
>
>
>     On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 21:14, nathan case <nathancase at outlook.com
>     <mailto:nathancase at outlook.com>> wrote:
>
>         Pros and cons aside, “human-made” is not a term that is in
>         current widespread usage. As a native English GB speaker, I
>         find it clunky and somewhat distracting.
>
>         A better gender neutral term might be “artificial”, which is
>         already a synonym for “man-made” and is already widely used.
>
>         Indeed, the Handbook of Nonsexist Writing suggests:
>         "artificial, handmade, hand-built, synthetic, manufactured,
>         fabricated, machine-made, and constructed" as options instead
>         of man-made. Presumably the majority (if not all) of OSM
>         "man-made" tags relate to objects which are not naturally
>         occurring. Therefore "artificial" seems to hold.
>
>         Other sources:
>         https://writingcenter.unc.edu/tips-and-tools/gender-inclusive-language/
>
>         https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Usage/faq0053.html
>         https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/man-made
>
>         An issue may arise if artificial is already being used as a
>         tag however.
>
>         Best,
>
>         Nathan
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