[Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

[Mateusz Konieczny]

20 paź 2020, 00:52 od robert at rtbk.com.au:

> Perhaps the use of man_made could be dropped all together as it is somewhat superfluous.
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> Ie. man_made=bridge is the same as bridge=yes
>
Are you aware that we have bridge=yes
and man_made=bridge used with a 
different meaning?
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> Perhaps all of the existing man_made=[value] tags should be changed to [value]=yes
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>
> Rob
>
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 9:46 am Robert Delmenico, <> robert at rtbk.com.au> > wrote:
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>> Please read this article:
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>> https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/pep/index-fra.html?lang=fra&page=usage_7_gender_neutral_writing_questions_usage
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>> 'Not really, and "man_made" does not mean that it was made by males.'
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>> Yes it does. Why would society also use women-made?
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>> 'It seems to me that a lot of males like to speak for women on these issues.
>> Why? Can't they speak for themselves?'
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>> Hence why I said who am I to decide! 
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>> 'Marriam-webster:
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>> Definition of man-made
>> : manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings'
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>> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/03/not-everything-is-man-made-13-amazing-inventions-you-can-thank-women-for/
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>> Should we use the term man-made if it is made entirely by women?
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>> Also, check out the translations in the Collins dictionary - what do you notice? 
>> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/man-made
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>> 'As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife.'
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>> Midwife actually translates as 'with woman'. The wife part relates to the person giving birth.
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>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 8:44 am Niels Elgaard Larsen, <>> elgaard at agol.dk>> > wrote:
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>>> Robert Delmenico:
>>>  > 
>>>  > I originally put the call out really to gauge if there was much interest in changing 
>>>  > the term man_made because of its use of 'man', and was interested in hearing the 
>>>  > thoughts from other mappers as really this proposal isn't just mine. If there was no 
>>>  > interest I would just abandon it and move on - that's how the system works yeah?
>>>  > 
>>>  > Here's my thoughts based on the feedback received so far
>>>  > 
>>>  > Regardless of the origin of the term, the current use of 'man' is to identify adult 
>>>  > males.
>>>  
>>>  Not really, and "man_made" does not mean that it was made by males.
>>>  
>>>  > I don't think the use of 'man_made' offends women, but who am I to decide that as I 
>>>  > am a adult male.
>>>  
>>>  It seems to me that a lot of males like to speak for women on these issues.
>>>  Why? Can't they speak for themselves?
>>>  
>>>  > I feel that by using any masculine or feminine terms where a suitable alternative 
>>>  > exists instills the stereotypes based on these terms.
>>>  
>>>  Marriam-webster:
>>>  ==
>>>  Definition of man-made
>>>  : manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings
>>>  ==
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  > We don't refer to firefigters as firemen anymore, not do we refer to airline 
>>>  > attendants as airline hostesses. The world is changing and OSM should adapt to these 
>>>  > changes if there is enough interest from the OSM community.
>>>  
>>>  As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  -- 
>>>  Niels Elgaard Larsen
>>>  
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