[Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

[Justin Tracey]

On 2020-10-20 12:13 p.m., Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> On 19/10/2020 16.01, Justin Tracey wrote:
>> It's the same reason we want
>> discourse on lists like this one to be friendly and amicable: it should
>> be obvious to anyone outside looking in that contributing and
>> participating in OSM is *enjoyable*, and they should feel welcome
>> joining in.
> 
> ...and the irony is that most of what the SJW agenda accomplishes is to
> polarize and inflame the issues, having the exact *opposite* effect as
> encouraging harmony and inclusiveness (not to mention the hypocrisy of
> being inimically opposed to "conservatives").
> 

I have no idea what "the SJW agenda" is, but it doesn't seem
relevant to the discussion anyway.

>> If core aspects of the tagging schema give hints at a bias
>> towards a particular segment of the population (in this case,
>> English-speaking men)
> 
> So, clearly, we need to change the language of OSM tags to loglan. Oh,
> wait, that would *still* be biased.

Correct. All the more reason to discuss how these biases manifest! :)

> 
> <soapbox>
> The idea that you can make everyone happy is a delusion (source: John
> Lydgate (disputed)). All we're seeing right now is that the SJW crowd
> are making the most noise. The real issue is groups — *ANY* groups —
> trying to force their ideology down other's throats and decide what
> opinions are "allowed" and what aren't.
> 
> What needs to stop isn't "intolerance" (the SJW agenda isn't about
> eliminating intolerance — quite the opposite! — but about replacing one
> flavor with another), it's the inability to agree to disagree. Groups
> should feel welcoming even to people with different opinions, rather
> than vilifying anyone who disagrees with the group.
> </soapbox>
> 

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but you seem to have an axe to
grind with a strawman that hasn't come up in this discussion. Nobody
said anything about "intolerance", there is no vilifying here, and
nobody is "forcing" any opinions on anyone. If you have some specific
criticism of how someone is conducting themself, sure, bring it up, but
dragging the tagging mailing list into something that has no obvious
connection to tagging seems counterproductive.

Thanks,
 - Justin