[Tagging] [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

bkil bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com
Wed Sep 16 15:19:42 UTC 2020


Not until the page is finalized and accepted by the community. Until
then, it is a draft, and it is frowned upon to mix such controversial
drafts into the main namespace

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:38 PM Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "why this page resides in the main
> namespace and not in the responsible proposer's user space?" - it's a wiki, we are generally a libertarian group, there are no restrictions on creating a page other than wanting to be relevant. I personally find it relevant.
>
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 14:47 bkil, <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Could someone perhaps clarify why this page resides in the main
>> namespace and not in the responsible proposer's user space?
>>
>> > Do not name individuals in OpenStreetMap tags, unless their name is on a business sign posted towards the street, or part of the business name and available in public records.
>> >
>>
>> What if the name of the operator is printed on each receipt when you
>> shop there or a certificate is placed on the wall that shows it? We
>> usually add that to operator=*.
>>
>> Indeed I think that the article confuses mapped things that are
>> worthless and mapped things that are dangerous (according to GDPR).
>>
>> For example, the reason why we don't map private washing machines is
>> that its location and capacity is not information that is in public
>> interest (hence why it is not a POI). Another reason that it fails the
>> verifiability criterion: if I want to check that the position and type
>> information of the washing machine is still accurate, I need to ring
>> the doorbell and be invited in to see for myself, but it is not
>> realistic that an owner would invite dozens of potentially malicious
>> random people into their house just for this.
>>
>> Even if the object would be visible from the outside, it is of no use
>> to 99.9999% of individuals if the owner does not let me do my laundry
>> there. If a TV is fully and clearly visible from the outside through
>> the window, it _may_ serve a public utility of entertainment if you
>> can lip read, but you need to ring the doorbell each time you want to
>> switch channels...
>>
>> Private parking and driveways are acceptable because it hints at which
>> way the entrance is - helping delivery personal and guests alike. I've
>> mapped some very interesting hilly terrain where this can be
>> especially useful, as roads were pretty dense and the road towards
>> where the entrance is was not trivial and a failed guess could cost
>> you a few more minutes of walking or driving for each house.
>>
>> Private swimming pools aren't that interesting but people seem to
>> enjoy tracing them. Maybe in case of emergency they could be used as a
>> nearby water source by the fire brigade?
>>
>> From the privacy section, am I reading correctly that you suggest that
>> you find it acceptable to map each tomb in a cemetery by name?
>>
>> I think a lot of considerations are missing in this article other than
>> those stemming from the GDPR, like military and national
>> considerations. You also do not mention that there exist regions where
>> mapping activities are forbidden by the law and punishable by prison
>> sentence. And anyway other than describing "what is worthless to map",
>> I think you are trying to basically gather "mapping ethics", and maybe
>> this should be better be done in Wikipedia because it does not only
>> concern OpenStreetMap, but any mapping provider.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:15 PM Niels Elgaard Larsen <elgaard at agol.dk> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mateusz Konieczny via talk:
>> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Limitations_on_mapping_private_information
>> > >
>> > > Do you think that this page is a good description of community consensus?
>> > >
>> > > The page has
>> > > "This page is under development (May 2020). It may not yet reflect community consensus."
>> > > and I would like to check whatever it matches community consensus well or mismatches it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I think we should avoid language such as "There is no need to split residential
>> > landuse into individual plots".
>> >
>> > Of course there is a need for someone somewhere to tag just about everything.
>> > For example, if you want to buy a house you would want to see where the plot is.
>> >
>> > This is not about needs, but about privacy, and maybe data quality.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Niels Elgaard Larsen
>> >
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