[Tagging] [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

Jez Nicholson jez.nicholson at gmail.com
Wed Sep 16 14:35:32 UTC 2020

"why this page resides in the main
namespace and not in the responsible proposer's user space?" - it's a wiki,
we are generally a libertarian group, there are no restrictions on creating
a page other than wanting to be relevant. I personally find it relevant.

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 14:47 bkil, <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Could someone perhaps clarify why this page resides in the main
> namespace and not in the responsible proposer's user space?
> > Do not name individuals in OpenStreetMap tags, unless their name is on a
> business sign posted towards the street, or part of the business name and
> available in public records.
> >
> What if the name of the operator is printed on each receipt when you
> shop there or a certificate is placed on the wall that shows it? We
> usually add that to operator=*.
> Indeed I think that the article confuses mapped things that are
> worthless and mapped things that are dangerous (according to GDPR).
> For example, the reason why we don't map private washing machines is
> that its location and capacity is not information that is in public
> interest (hence why it is not a POI). Another reason that it fails the
> verifiability criterion: if I want to check that the position and type
> information of the washing machine is still accurate, I need to ring
> the doorbell and be invited in to see for myself, but it is not
> realistic that an owner would invite dozens of potentially malicious
> random people into their house just for this.
> Even if the object would be visible from the outside, it is of no use
> to 99.9999% of individuals if the owner does not let me do my laundry
> there. If a TV is fully and clearly visible from the outside through
> the window, it _may_ serve a public utility of entertainment if you
> can lip read, but you need to ring the doorbell each time you want to
> switch channels...
> Private parking and driveways are acceptable because it hints at which
> way the entrance is - helping delivery personal and guests alike. I've
> mapped some very interesting hilly terrain where this can be
> especially useful, as roads were pretty dense and the road towards
> where the entrance is was not trivial and a failed guess could cost
> you a few more minutes of walking or driving for each house.
> Private swimming pools aren't that interesting but people seem to
> enjoy tracing them. Maybe in case of emergency they could be used as a
> nearby water source by the fire brigade?
> From the privacy section, am I reading correctly that you suggest that
> you find it acceptable to map each tomb in a cemetery by name?
> I think a lot of considerations are missing in this article other than
> those stemming from the GDPR, like military and national
> considerations. You also do not mention that there exist regions where
> mapping activities are forbidden by the law and punishable by prison
> sentence. And anyway other than describing "what is worthless to map",
> I think you are trying to basically gather "mapping ethics", and maybe
> this should be better be done in Wikipedia because it does not only
> concern OpenStreetMap, but any mapping provider.
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:15 PM Niels Elgaard Larsen <elgaard at agol.dk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mateusz Konieczny via talk:
> > >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Limitations_on_mapping_private_information
> > >
> > > Do you think that this page is a good description of community
> consensus?
> > >
> > > The page has
> > > "This page is under development (May 2020). It may not yet reflect
> community consensus."
> > > and I would like to check whatever it matches community consensus well
> or mismatches it.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think we should avoid language such as "There is no need to split
> residential
> > landuse into individual plots".
> >
> > Of course there is a need for someone somewhere to tag just about
> everything.
> > For example, if you want to buy a house you would want to see where the
> plot is.
> >
> > This is not about needs, but about privacy, and maybe data quality.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Niels Elgaard Larsen
> >
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