[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - reusable packaging

Bert -Araali- Van Opstal bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com
Mon Apr 26 19:35:48 UTC 2021

I am on the same page like Frederik.  We should store this kind of 
"policy" issues in related projects, like wikidata, which are more 
accessible and easier to maintain and query.
The fact if they use re-usable packaging or accept it is not geo-related 
data at all.

Another concern is that some countries have legislation in force to 
promote re-usable packaging.  Rwanda and Uganda have this for plastic 
bags, you should not even be able to enter the country with any plastic 
bag.  In Rwanda it is enforced and quite successful, in Uganda it is 
legislation but not practised and not enforced.  So legally, in the case 
of Uganda, we would need a re-usable packaging tag but need to indicate 
that it's not legally enforced etc.... .  Then what is re-usable, am I 
allowed to bring my own container or bag or are there any specific 
restrictions, part of a certain custom system.
So the data, at least in the short term might be very diverse and 
unstable.  Just re-usable will not add a lot of useful practical data.  
Make a wikidata entry and use wikdata to store this kind of information, 
easily to be linked and queried together with the geo data stored in OSM.


Bert Araali

On 23/04/2021 17:12, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> I am against tags that describe short-term business decisions. A shop 
> might be part of the XY alliance today and part of the ABC alliance 
> tomorrow. They might offer cash withdrawal at the register today and 
> stop doing that tomorrow. They might buy green power today and nuclear 
> power tomorrow. The supermarket might carry gluten-free food today and 
> drop it tomorrow. All these are decisions that are made by some 
> management people somewhere in the chain store's management department 
> based on forecasts about which "brand message" will bring them the 
> most customers, and most of them can be changed willy-nilly, from one 
> day to the next.
> I do not wish OpenStreetMap to become a tool in this marketing 
> exercise, and I think it is futile for us to run after each little 
> adjustment made by the store marketing department.
> Of course if taken to the extreme this opinion would apply to opening 
> times and some other frequently recorded things as well. Personally, I 
> think there are some properties that are relatively essential - is the 
> shop open, and maybe what chain is it part of, if any. But do I really 
> need OpenStreetMap to record details about whether a shop has reusable 
> packaging? My opinion is, no - not least because it is hard enough to 
> keep opening times current, I don't want to have to enter the shop and 
> ask if they have changed their policy regarding reusable packaging in 
> the last year.
> Bye
> Frederik
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