[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - value 'basic_network' - cycle_network?

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 2:50 PM stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:

> On Dec 1, 2021, at 12:27 PM, JochenB <JochenB at wolke7.net> wrote:
> > Am 28.11.2021 um 20:45 schrieb Brian M. Sperlongano:
> >> So is "basic" in this case of bwn/bcn supposed to mean "more local
> >> than local"?
> >
> > A distinction between local and regional makes no sense here. The
> > networks of various cities (lcn), districts and federal states (rcn)
> > together result in hundreds of kilometers of nationwide cycle-friendly
> > routes (ncn). In most cases, it is not clear to the user who is managing
> > the network.
>
> I find "it isn't clear...who is managing the network" to be deeply
> problematic.  Seriously?  You mean there is nobody to ask "who put up this
> sign?" or "who do I ask to determine anything authoritatively about these
> routes / this network?"  That strongly implies anybody could put up a sign
> (of whatever level, for whatever purpose) and OSM Contributors in Germany
> would insist we develop tagging strategies to denote...WHAT, exactly?  I
> don't know, you don't know, it seems NOBODY knows.  If true, this is a
> major failing.  I simply do not know of a single (signed) bicycle route or
> bicycle route network in the entirety of the USA where this is true, and
> that's a LOT of routes and networks.  There is ALWAYS "somebody to ask"
> EXACTLY who is "managing the network."
>

It's more likely than you might think.  This is the standard sign used in
the US for routes maintained by COGs, cities and counties.

[image: image.png]

Which LCN does this route belong to?

Maybe if you get someplace that's put slightly more thought into things,
you'll get the alternative numbered route sign instead.

[image: image.png]

Which LCN does this route belong to?

I can't imagine that this is unique to the US, vis a vis local level
cycleways being standardized on extremely *bad* wayfinding and
identification.

At least in the US it's not as bad with RCNs (state cycleways, I know
Oregon has a specific shield for this and most states don't have this
network at all; and NCNs, the US cycleway system has its own shields as
well).
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