[Tagging] cycleway:lane=advisory

[Volker Schmidt]

Regarding StreetComplete and similar activities:
These only work if you have a large number of idling mappers.
In Italy we have an estimated 100-200 active mappers in the entire country.
And we have a lot of important highway attributes not taggd not tagged,
like maxspeed, lanes and illumination (all important for understanding if a
road is suitable for cyclists, for example)
Then add to that that cycle tagging needs someone who knows the different
types of cycling infrastructure, which excludes 90% of the mappers.

To make the new lanes a subtype of lane and not a different type of
cycleway is wrong. The old (exclusive) cycleways are (mostly) much better
less bad than the new official lanes. And the local variants we have here
<https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/uu8fFxtxTsXauu7kZjxxAg> are really
dangerous.

I prefer a new cycleway=advisory_lane tag.



On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 17:11, Stefan Tauner <stefan.tauner at gmx.at> wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 16:35:27 +0100
> Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>
> > Am 19.01.2021 um 11:08 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging:
> > > So we need tagging for
> > >
> > > - lane obligatory for cyclists, supposed to be respected by cars
> > > - lane obligatory for cyclists, not supposed to be respected by cars
> > > - lane optional for cyclists, not supposed to be respected by cars
> > > - lane optional for cyclists, supposed to be respected by cars
> >
> > I'm not sure that all of the above are things.
> >
> > In any case it is even a bit more complex than that, the corresponding
> > lane type here is
> >
> > mandatory for cyclists, not allowed to used by cars except if doing so
> > doesn't hinder or endanger cyclists (aka empty road), with the exception
> > that if the road isn't wide enough to allow two car queues without using
> > the lanes, the lane can be used (which as one can imagine leads to
> > massive conflicts, since it negates one advantage of cycling in the
> city).
>
> For that latter case we could use
>
> cycleway=lane
> lane=useless
>
> ;)
>
> Joking aside, these lanes have been criticized for a very long time and
> they are actually rather harmful to cyclists' safety (dooring) thus I
> would actually recommend tagging those that are merely a dashed line on
> the street where cars are allowed to drive under some circumstances
> very differently to those that are at least exclusive for cyclists. As
> a data user I personally would not like to use a map where these are
> indistinguishable, or even worse the same as a separated track.
> I do very much support tagging them at all - they are a good indicator
> how well municipalities have understood their city planning.
>
> --
> Kind regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Stefan Tauner
>
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