[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse bush

[Vincent van Duijnhoven]

Thanks for the summary.

If I understand you correctly, you don't want to use landuse but rather extend the use of natural=scrub? You then want to add an additional tag to natural=scrub like managed or denotation. 

I understand your opinion about landuse and I think I agree. The question is then, introduce a new natural value or re-built natural=scrub. One thing though, especially some native English speakers stated is that when they think of scrub, they think of the wild version and not the decorative we are talking about. With "scrubland" in the description of the wiki page, I would also think the same. I also understand though that natual=shrub would potentially conflict with natural=scrub

If natural=scrub is adjusted, the wiki page of natural=scrub would then need to be adjusted to match both scrub on (un)cultivated land and decorative as illustrated in the images in my proposal. The definition then needs to be broadened to give a range of possible definitions (e.g. scrubland, scrub, for decorative purposes etc).

Additionally, I would personally only use denotation and not managed. Currently, you also don't add managed=yes to a natural=tree. I think that if we extend the values of denotation, it can say more about the scrub than managed=yes. Possible values: denotation=urban|wild|decoration.

Greetings,
Vincent


13 feb. 2021 23:19 van bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com:

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> Question 1: consensus on no support creating another top level      key:value. landuse:shrub / landuse:bush. Landcover and landform      surely not supported.
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> Question 2: natural=scrub should be used, mapped as an area on or      within an area with a defined landuse. managed=* is optional,      denotation as with trees to further define it's significance..      Actions: extend the related wiki pages with description of what is      cultivated and uncultivated LAND and how to map and tag + what is      to be used to map and tag cultivated and/or managed VEGETATION      (regardless if it is located on cultivated or uncultivated land).
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> Question 3: barrier=hedge should not be used in these cases.  It      should be used when the vegetation is predominately linear AND has      either a primary purpose or use as barrier, or boundary or border.      Hedges covers both managed / maintained as unmaintained / not      managed. ("cultivated" has never been used as a term with hedges      as far as I can recall).
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> Greetings and keep discussing !
>  Bert Araali
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> On 13/02/2021 16:30, Volker Schmidt      wrote:
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>> This looks again a confusion of scrub and shrub
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>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2021, 12:01          Peter Neale via Tagging, <>> tagging at openstreetmap.org>> >          wrote:
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>>> IMHO Scrub that has been managed is not                  scrub any more.
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>>> The Wiki says, "
>>> The                      tag >>> natural <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural>>>> =scrub>>>  is                      used to tag areas of uncultivated land covered                      with shrubs, bushes or stunted trees."
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>>> ..and                      see also, >>> https://www.thefreedictionary.com/scrubland>>> ,                  which says, 
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>>> " 
>>> scrub·land
>>>  >>>  >>> (skrŭb′lănd′)>>>  
>>> n.>>>  
>>> An >>> area>>>  of >>> land>>>  >>> that>>>  is >>> uncultivated>>>  >>> and>>>  >>> covered>>>  >>> with>>>  >>> sparse>>>  >>> stunted>>>  >>> vegetation."
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