[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - holy well

Bert -Araali- Van Opstal bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com
Thu Feb 18 22:46:13 UTC 2021


I am not getting you Mateusz. Including terms like "miraculous" or
"blessed" in the name to me indicates it has some kind of significance
in a religious context and thus worshipped in some kind of way. You
should give more clear examples or context before calling such tagging
bluntly incorrect.

On 18/02/2021 23:32, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> Many places with "miraculous water" / "blessed water" do not qualify for
> amenity=place_of_worship, and such tagging would be incorrect
>
> Feb 18, 2021, 21:25 by bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com:
>
>     Dear Anne,
>
>     You should abstain from using specific religious terms like "holy"
>     and "paganism".
>     To my honest opinion the existing tagging schemes and attribution
>     for amenity=place_of_worship combined with tourist=attraction
>     offer enough flexibility and most of all neutrality in the
>     religious context to suite your needs.
>     Of course there are numerous wells across the world with either a
>     religious significance (sometimes the same well is significant in
>     different religions or to different denominations). Some have
>     significance for tourism purposes, others might be preferred by
>     the worshippers, to be accessible only in a more private context.
>     Please read through the related wiki pages, to my opinion very
>     detailed and of high quality to address your local specific needs
>     and offering enough variation for any religious or tourist related
>     significance. You can extend them to suite your specific needs, I
>     personally see no need for a new key or value for this purpose or
>     revert to a proposal if you feel you need broader confirmation
>     from the community. Do respect neutrality in the additions or
>     modifications.
>
>     Greetings, Bert Araali
>
>
>     On 18/02/2021 21:31, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote:
>>
>>     I understand it's a bit of a tricky one. Wishing wells/ fountains
>>     mostly used by tourists should not count, because there is not an
>>     established religion behind that thinking of leaving a coin for
>>     good luck. They are all votive offerings though, no matter if
>>     they are rags or coins or whatever else people leave there
>>     (probably masks now, I haven't been to a site since lockdown).
>>
>>     Good rule of thumb: If it has a saint's name attached, it's a
>>     holy well. Or rather "holy well".
>>
>>     Anne
>>
>>     Am 18/02/2021 um 16:04 schrieb Volker Schmidt:
>>>     Interesting idea.
>>>     But difficult to define.
>>>     There is a wide spectrum from really sacred places, like chapels
>>>     with a spring inside to the wells or fountains where people go
>>>     with plastic bottles
>>>     to collect "good" or "healthy" water.and the wells that tourists
>>>     fill with coins (no drinking water there).
>>>     I would rather see this somehow under the tourism tent -
>>>     pilgrimage is the original form of tourism.
>>>
>>>     Volker
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>     On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 14:42, Anne-Karoline Distel
>>>     <annekadistel at web.de <mailto:annekadistel at web.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         It's me again, full of ideas.
>>>
>>>         I propose a tag for holy wells, one of the reasons being
>>>         that my local
>>>         council wants them mapped and I've been trying to convince
>>>         them to use
>>>         OSM for a while. Also, because it would entice rural mappers
>>>         to get
>>>         started and because they play a role in tourism (if you
>>>         count pilgrimage
>>>         as tourism).
>>>
>>>         https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/holy_well
>>>
>>>         I'm especially interested in other religions' perspective,
>>>         but I don't
>>>         know if this phenomenon exists outside Christianity and
>>>         Paganism.
>>>
>>>         Cheers,
>>>
>>>         Anne
>>>
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