[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - holy well
Bert -Araali- Van Opstal
bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com
Thu Feb 18 22:46:13 UTC 2021
I am not getting you Mateusz. Including terms like "miraculous" or
"blessed" in the name to me indicates it has some kind of significance
in a religious context and thus worshipped in some kind of way. You
should give more clear examples or context before calling such tagging
bluntly incorrect.
On 18/02/2021 23:32, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> Many places with "miraculous water" / "blessed water" do not qualify for
> amenity=place_of_worship, and such tagging would be incorrect
>
> Feb 18, 2021, 21:25 by bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com:
>
> Dear Anne,
>
> You should abstain from using specific religious terms like "holy"
> and "paganism".
> To my honest opinion the existing tagging schemes and attribution
> for amenity=place_of_worship combined with tourist=attraction
> offer enough flexibility and most of all neutrality in the
> religious context to suite your needs.
> Of course there are numerous wells across the world with either a
> religious significance (sometimes the same well is significant in
> different religions or to different denominations). Some have
> significance for tourism purposes, others might be preferred by
> the worshippers, to be accessible only in a more private context.
> Please read through the related wiki pages, to my opinion very
> detailed and of high quality to address your local specific needs
> and offering enough variation for any religious or tourist related
> significance. You can extend them to suite your specific needs, I
> personally see no need for a new key or value for this purpose or
> revert to a proposal if you feel you need broader confirmation
> from the community. Do respect neutrality in the additions or
> modifications.
>
> Greetings, Bert Araali
>
>
> On 18/02/2021 21:31, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote:
>>
>> I understand it's a bit of a tricky one. Wishing wells/ fountains
>> mostly used by tourists should not count, because there is not an
>> established religion behind that thinking of leaving a coin for
>> good luck. They are all votive offerings though, no matter if
>> they are rags or coins or whatever else people leave there
>> (probably masks now, I haven't been to a site since lockdown).
>>
>> Good rule of thumb: If it has a saint's name attached, it's a
>> holy well. Or rather "holy well".
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> Am 18/02/2021 um 16:04 schrieb Volker Schmidt:
>>> Interesting idea.
>>> But difficult to define.
>>> There is a wide spectrum from really sacred places, like chapels
>>> with a spring inside to the wells or fountains where people go
>>> with plastic bottles
>>> to collect "good" or "healthy" water.and the wells that tourists
>>> fill with coins (no drinking water there).
>>> I would rather see this somehow under the tourism tent -
>>> pilgrimage is the original form of tourism.
>>>
>>> Volker
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 14:42, Anne-Karoline Distel
>>> <annekadistel at web.de <mailto:annekadistel at web.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's me again, full of ideas.
>>>
>>> I propose a tag for holy wells, one of the reasons being
>>> that my local
>>> council wants them mapped and I've been trying to convince
>>> them to use
>>> OSM for a while. Also, because it would entice rural mappers
>>> to get
>>> started and because they play a role in tourism (if you
>>> count pilgrimage
>>> as tourism).
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/holy_well
>>>
>>> I'm especially interested in other religions' perspective,
>>> but I don't
>>> know if this phenomenon exists outside Christianity and
>>> Paganism.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
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