[Tagging] Use of highway=track vs highway=service cemeteries, parks, allotment gardens, golf courses, and recreation areas
Bert -Araali- Van Opstal
bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com
Sun Feb 28 17:59:50 UTC 2021
Yes, those are the existing ones, thank you for listing the links Joseph.
They are absolutely not complete and avoid all tagging and mapping
confusion, but a good starting point. To better understand the
problematic use of OSM in the southern hemisphere (they are also used
largely in Asia and South-America if I am not mistaking, mainly through
HOTOSM projects or as a basis for development of local tagging
guidelines) and could be a good resource to reflect the mapping issues
faced in the non-western world, namely outside of North-America and Europe.
Thank you,
Bert Araali
On 28/02/2021 20:14, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> That would be: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa>
>
> Also see: "East Africa Tagging Guidelines:"
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/East_Africa_Tagging_Guidelines
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/East_Africa_Tagging_Guidelines>
>
> – Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 8:47 AM Bert -Araali- Van Opstal
> <bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com
> <mailto:bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> We don't have specific local tagging guidelines, except the
> Highway Africa tagging, we are working on that creating local
> working groups. But that's a long process as you will understand.
>
> I will do my best to make a summary of what I found through the
> comments and discussions here, not representing how it is used
> across the world, I lack the means and resources to do such a
> broad investigation. But if a such a summary can help, very
> willing to do that but will take one to a few days.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Bert Araali
>
> On 28/02/2021 19:08, brad wrote:
>> "That is why in Africa we consider access keys only to be used
>> for legal access restrictions" That's the way most of us do it
>> also, and that's the way the wiki is written.
>> I'm not clear on what you do differently in Africa, Is there a
>> document which describes the methodology? If not, perhaps a
>> quick informal summary of the differences here would be helpful.
>>
>> On 2/28/21 6:03 AM, Bert -Araali- Van Opstal wrote:
>>>
>>> And even adding on that, what about a non-paved road with so
>>> many potholes or turning into a mudpool during the rainy season
>>> that it can't be travelled anymore by any vehicle. Should I put
>>> motor-vehicle=no ?
>>> Even the bollards here get driven over, a bollard made of just a
>>> wooden stem won't stop a truck driver from running over it, if
>>> their is no signage. Again local culture, local perception.
>>> If there are trees growing next to a road, most of the drivers
>>> go there with a chainsaw, we cut it. Should I use an access key
>>> to indicate that the road might be to narrow for a truck ?
>>>
>>> That is why in Africa we consider access keys only to be used
>>> for legal access restrictions, not physical. For that we use
>>> other keys like smoothness, intermittent, seasonal etc.... .
>>> That is why we have in the largest part of the world a
>>> completely different approach of highway tagging and that is why
>>> I would prefer to see it changed or at least forked (not just a
>>> "buried" continental variant), because what we have now as the
>>> global OSM standard is not usable, is not applicable in the
>>> rest, which is "the most" part of the world.
>>>
>>> On 28/02/2021 13:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>>> sent from a phone
>>>>
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2021, at 09:53, Minh Nguyen<minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us> <mailto:minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> * A particular barrier=bollard could be motorcar=no regardless of signage or legal prohibitions, just based on the width on either side of the bollard.
>>>> this is easy, but what about motorcycle=no? Could depend on the jurisdiction/situation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers Martin
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