[Tagging] Changing proposal process rules - RFC

[Seth Deegan]

>
> This is a con, actually.  Email is the lowest common denominator, and
> nobody really wants Yet Another Login if they can avoid it.  Sending an
> email is easy. Really, really easy.  If email is beyond a user's grasp, I
> legitimately wonder of they have the barest minimum necessary to sign up
> for an OSM account in the first place, which is an email address.
>

I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree. As I noted, these were *hurdles* I had
to clear when I got into OSM.

*I had never used a mailing list before and found:*

   - The outdated GUI of Mailman v2 to be a pain to sign up.
   - Constant threads of multiple discussions from multiple people replying
   to multiple people only using plain-text references a nightmare to follow.
   - No option to unsubscribe from threads I don't care about (but I would
   still like to be on the list because I want to see what new threads I
   *do* care about).
   - Email provides little formatting.

On the other hand, I (and probably everyone) discovered the Wiki before the
mailing lists.

*In comparison to mailing lists:*

   - Creating an account on a website is *really* easy.
   - Following past and current conversation is easy with indentations and
   dedicated topics (any SNS's conversations are easier to understand than
   email TBH). With the Structured Discussion Extension, this will be even
   easier.
   - I can add what conversations (proposals) I'm interested in to my
   Watchlist.
   - Wiki provides *all* the formatting and templates!

Yes, everyone might have an email and is able to perform using it, but does
that mean that it's the easiest to understand and most useful? No.

The costs outweigh the benefits of using the Wiki over mailing lists IMO.

I legitimately wonder of they have the barest minimum necessary to sign up
> for an OSM account in the first place, which is an email address.
>
You also said it yourself, an email is required nomatter what system you
use.

lectrician1 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lectrician1>


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 6:28 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 6:06 PM Seth Deegan <jayandseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>    -  Creating a Wiki account and immediately being able to edit a Talk
>>    page is a lot easier than figuring out how the mailing lists work, signing
>>    up using the user-unfriendly UI that sends your password in raw text,
>>    worrying about how many people you'll bother if you send a message to a
>>    list, if you're sending a message correctly, etc.
>>
>>
> This is a con, actually.  Email is the lowest common denominator, and
> nobody really wants Yet Another Login if they can avoid it.  Sending an
> email is easy. Really, really easy.  If email is beyond a user's grasp, I
> legitimately wonder of they have the barest minimum necessary to sign up
> for an OSM account in the first place, which is an email address.
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