[Tagging] Proposed feature - Voting - electricity

[Mateusz Konieczny]

For me it would be fine.


Jan 8, 2021, 12:24 by lrichert at posteo.de:

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> Would signed_origin be clear enough? I still really dislike      having an underscore but would be a bit shorter and maybe make      clear the only what is stated on a nearby sign should be mapped. 
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> On 02/01/2021 14:31, Mateusz Konieczny      via Tagging wrote:
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>> Jan 1, 2021, 11:25 by >> lrichert at posteo.de>> :
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>>> Ah I replied on the wiki, but I'll do so here to with some          more examples.
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>>> On 01/01/2021 08:34, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
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>>>> I still have 3 major concerns with this proposal.
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>>>> 1) I share the concerns of Mateusz Konieczny that a              tag like " electricity:grid:origin=hydro"  is not              verifiable, it's just advertising. I don't think this is              something we should try to map in OpenStreetMap, because              we try to avoid adding tags which are advertising claims              which cannot be confirmed to be true or false. 
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>>> The wiki explicitly mentions financial means and guarantees          of origin are financial products and physics obviously          dictates that electrons are not distinguishable particles.
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>> I have no trouble with tagging presence of advertised claims        of guarantees of origin.
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>> But I want to make clear that we are tagging advertised        claims, not guarantees of origin
>> that require financial/legal analysis rather than on the        ground survey.
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>>> However, in OSM we also map organic farm shops and opening          hours advertising among a host of other features that are          indicated by signage. These are also not verifiable by a          mapper
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>> Opening hours are fully verifiable by mapper. Unsigned ones        can be obtained by asking 
>> employees, and even in absurd cases of intentionally        misleading info you can
>> verify when something is open by checking it sufficiently        often.
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>> In cases of guarantees of origin mapper can verify advertised        claims, but checking
>> actually signed contract requires legal analysis and in my        opinion is utterly unsuitable
>> for OpenStreetMap.
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>> I a also dubious about usefulness of mapping this in OSM and        I am not going to do that,
>> but if someone wants to map kind of advertisements, I have no        trouble with that.
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>>> If a sign clearly indicates 'renewable energy' then it          should be possible for it to be tagged.
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>> +1 - but electricity:grid:origin is in my opinion extremely        poor tag for that, I would be fine
>> with electricity:advertised_origin
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>>> If you personally don't believe this makes any difference,          then simply don't use these tags to filter, but please do          allow others to make that choice. 
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>> +1
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